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Hey with my router mounted to the underside of my table im losing 3/4 hieght on my bits is there some kind of extension thing? or can i just place about half the shank in the collet and leave half sticking out to regain some of that lost cutting ability?

Im kinda worried this is dangerous because the bit is not completely secured, or that maybe it can damage the bit or ME!

I know on my dremel with different speed controls the max setting on it claims to be 30,000 rpm and i have often used some of its bits with only half secured and they didn't vibrate or seem unsafe, but for some reason i just don't wanna risk it on a router without asking first.. maybe Ive become to attached to my fingers

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Hey with my router mounted to the underside of my table im losing 3/4 hieght on my bits is there some kind of extension thing? or can i just place about half the shank in the collet and leave half sticking out to regain some of that lost cutting ability?

Im kinda worried this is dangerous because the bit is not completely secured, or that maybe it can damage the bit or ME!

I know on my dremel with different speed controls the max setting on it claims to be 30,000 rpm and i have often used some of its bits with only half secured and they didn't vibrate or seem unsafe, but for some reason i just don't wanna risk it on a router without asking first.. maybe Ive become to attached to my fingers

Thanks in advance for your response.
Accepted practice is to have all but maybe 1/16 or so of the bit IN the collett. I'm certain some people are not always that careful but you elevate the risk of, at minumum, a broken bit when you use the router with only half the shank in the collett. The one time I broke a bit I never FOUND the rest of it...message being you don't KNOW where its going when it breaks, although the gurus say it will stay in or under the table. Me?......they call me Captain Cautious for a reason.
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Perhaps you can make a recess under the table to bring the router closer to the top surface?

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Perhaps you can make a recess under the table to bring the router closer to the top surface?

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That's what I did with my first table. I routed out all but 3/8" where the router base would be.

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They do make extensions for the router. Here's one of several available: http://eagleamerica.com/xtreme-xtension/p/415-0650/

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I'm sure you don't need to hear the virtues of table top base plates.

You don't mention it, I'm guessing the router is mounted directly to the underside of the table to lose so much stroke?

The Dremel may spin at a higher rpm, but the bit is smaller and it doesn't/shouldn't receive the stress that a router bit can absorb free hand or in a table.

You don't want your router on the receiving end of a 1/4" bit. Most times it drops like a rock, maybe into the exhaust vent of the router.
If it does stick in the stock odds are you won't react fast enough to stop and lift it up before it might drop into one of the vent slots.

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I guess one thing I have been learning since being on this forum is: If you question what you are doing there is a chance it is not safe and, as you are doing, check it out. Something screaming along at 23000RPM can do some damage to the receiver of said part if it breaks. I have heard somewhere along the line that you should not extend the bit from the Collate any more than 1/4" or so. I just don't remember where I heard that. (I have slept since then).

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You do not need the bit in so far as 1/8" of all the shaft in, its just no req. An amount less than 1/2 way of the shaft or less is fine. I have never ever had a problem.

If you look at the MLCS Katana bits you can see the markings for bit depth and most of them are further than 1/8" from all the way in. They start at a bit less than 1/2 the entire shaft length. I agree with the markings on this bit, but would not pull the bit out any further than the last marking on the picture.
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hello Paul,

you can buy a router bit extension.

but i have a question, did you mount the router to the table material or did you mount it to a plate?

if you didnt mount it to a plate, i think thats the first thing i would do.

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HI Paul

I agree with levon ,you need to remount your router to a plate,, if you screw the router to some 3/4" plywood you will have that error right off the bat..you can cut out a pocket hole for the router to sit it in but it's not safe..to thin...

Pickup up a mounting plate and do it right from the get go..

Then you will not have that error.. the norm.

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Hey with my router mounted to the underside of my table im losing 3/4 hieght on my bits is there some kind of extension thing? or can i just place about half the shank in the collet and leave half sticking out to regain some of that lost cutting ability?

Im kinda worried this is dangerous because the bit is not completely secured, or that maybe it can damage the bit or ME!

I know on my dremel with different speed controls the max setting on it claims to be 30,000 rpm and i have often used some of its bits with only half secured and they didn't vibrate or seem unsafe, but for some reason i just don't wanna risk it on a router without asking first.. maybe Ive become to attached to my fingers

Thanks in advance for your response.



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