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Is there any advantage to using either a Milwaukee 5625-20 or a Bosch 1617EVSPK with a router lift since they both offer above-the-table adjustment? Can you change the bits from above the table on these routers without a lift? What advantage, if any, would there be to using these routers with a lift? Thanks!

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Hi Tony:

A big welcome to you!

If a router isn't able to come high enough in the lift for bit changes, then one might do as John White did in his article "The Ultimate Router Table." In the article, he used two layers of MDF to make a new mount on the lift, for the router. The 1617EVSP suits this technique.

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Hi Tony

You don't need a lift to change bits from the top side of the router table just use a OFF-SET wrench ..just about any router will lift the collet to the top of the table,some times it will be just a little below it's not a big deal with the off-set wrench..

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This is my first post - Hello all!

Is there any advantage to using either a Milwaukee 5625-20 or a Bosch 1617EVSPK with a router lift since they both offer above-the-table adjustment? Can you change the bits from above the table on these routers without a lift? What advantage, if any, would there be to using these routers with a lift? Thanks!

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Hello Tony and welcome to the router forum

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Hi. I perhaps should have given a little more information. I have been a woodworker hobbyist for about 40 years. I still have my first router, a Sears model I bought when I was a kid. A few years ago, I bought a DeWalt DW618 because I needed a bigger router to flush trim some 1 1/8" T&G Plywood for the house my wife and I built. It worked great for that, but isn't worth a darn for normal woodworking because of the huge amount of slop in the adjustment mechanism.

I'm going to build a good router table. Here's my question: What would you guys rather have for a dedicated router table use only:

1) The DW618 in a Rousseau 3002 router lift and the router of your choice for hand-held use?

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2) A Milwaukee 5625-20 without a lift and be stuck with the DW618 for hand-held use?

I'd REALLY appreciate all of your replies. Thanks!
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I would go for a dedicated table setup and a plunge for all handheld and out of shop projects.

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Hi Tony

This is just my 2 cents...

You want to get router that take can be used for both jobs..with one router motor,,,,,a standard base for the router table and one for hand/plunge jobs...and one that comes with a lift built in without putting out 250.oo bucks for a lift kit...you can get many of the router kits now days..

Most go for 100.oo bucks to 250.oo bucks...the one I recommend is the one for a 100.oo bucks..(Sears Black top combo kit or the Red top pro.for 200.oo bucks that come with 3 bases )


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Hi. I perhaps should have given a little more information. I have been a woodworker hobbyist for about 40 years. I still have my first router, a Sears model I bought when I was a kid. A few years ago, I bought a DeWalt DW618 because I needed a bigger router to flush trim some 1 1/8" T&G Plywood for the house my wife and I built. It worked great for that, but isn't worth a darn for normal woodworking because of the huge amount of slop in the adjustment mechanism.

I'm going to build a good router table. Here's my question: What would you guys rather have for a dedicated router table use only:

1) The DW618 in a Rousseau 3002 router lift and the router of your choice for hand-held use?

or

2) A Milwaukee 5625-20 without a lift and be stuck with the DW618 for hand-held use?

I'd REALLY appreciate all of your replies. Thanks!



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Hi Tony

This is just my 2 cents...

You want to get router that take can be used for both jobs..with one router motor,,,,,a standard base for the router table and one for hand/plunge jobs...and one that comes with a lift built in without putting out 250.oo bucks for a lift kit...

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Actually, I don't want to use the same router for both, that's the whole point. And the Rousseau 3002 is not $250. It's $169 with free shipping at Amazon.

As I've said, I've been using routers for 40 years, but I've never even [I]seen[I] a router lift, so I was hoping someone here could tell me which of the above they would want, considering the (actual) costs involved:

Router lift for my existing DW618: .................. $169.99
New hand-held router kit (Bosch 1617EVSPKBP): $213.97
Total:............................................ ............ $383.96

vs.

Milwaukee 5625-20 3 1/2 horsepower router:.... $283.20
Router plate: (approx)................................... $50.00
Total:............................................ .............. $333.00

This is $50 cheaper for a more powerful router *BUT* I have to keep the old DeWalt 618 for hand-held use (yuk).

I suppose what it comes down to is, how much is the extra horsepower worth? I do need to do some raised panel doors, but not often. What do you guys think? Thanks!
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Why yuk to the DeWalt 618, I have many of them and really like them.

Raised panels you want the HP, actually current draw 15 amp.

I have the Milwaukee its nice, the above table lift built in is nowhere near as nice as some and nowhere close to the quality of a separate lift. Still the Milwaukee is one of my favorite routers.

The lift for the 618 is just not worth it in this case.

I think you can get the Milwaukee for about 225.00 if you can wait it out(sale), its what I paid for mine.

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HI Tony

Sounds like you have your mine set...that's great they are both good routers but I will say you don't need a tank of a router to make panels, most 3 1/4 HP routers are over kill most of the time.. I do have my share of them..
A 2 HP router will make panels all day long on a standard router table with the bit(s) below

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Actually, I don't want to use the same router for both, that's the whole point. And the Rousseau 3002 is not $250. It's $169 with free shipping at Amazon.

As I've said, I've been using routers for 40 years, but I've never even [i]seen[i] a router lift, so I was hoping someone here could tell me which of the above they would want, considering the (actual) costs involved:

Router lift for my existing DW618: .................. $169.99
New hand-held router kit (Bosch 1617EVSPKBP): $213.97
Total:............................................ ............ $383.96

vs.

Milwaukee 5625-20 3 1/2 horsepower router:.... $283.20
Router plate: (approx)................................... $50.00
Total:............................................ .............. $333.00

This is $50 cheaper for a more powerful router *BUT* I have to keep the old DeWalt 618 for hand-held use (yuk).

I suppose what it comes down to is, how much is the extra horsepower worth? I do need to do some raised panel doors, but not often. What do you guys think? Thanks!



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