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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 05-09-2020, 03:33 AM Thread Starter
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I bought a new Triton router (2400w) a number of years ago but never used it. Now with the lockdown I started to use the large number of tools I bought but never used. I unpacked the Triton and at first the mechanism worked fine, but increasingly it became sluggish. I mounted it on a Triton router table and tested the power. It worked fine, but when I wanted to insert a bit, it got stuck in the extreme depressed mode. I took it off the table and after a lot of wiggling and jiggling it got loose again, only to get stuck again. Now the safety window is stuck in the closed position as well.

I unpacked the Bosch and it simply wouldn't work, neither the mechanism nor the power. It's just dead and stuck.

The problem is I can't just give it up and take up another pastime, as I have started a lot of jobs which eventually will need the routers - and I also found that I rather like working with tools.

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Greetings Robert,
the only thing I know about the Triton, is that I would like to have one, but cannot afford it. But what I have seen some of the guys say, is that it has a built-in collet-locking mechanism, which only works in a particular position. You may be having problems related to that mechanism. If possible, upload photos (you can do so if the photos are on your own PC), showing clearly the position of the collet in relation to the base of the router at the sticking point, and if possible, the collet itself. One of the guys who have the same machine, will be able to advise. BTW, from “a few years ago” there may have been a model change - specify which one you have (TAsomething).
As far as the Bosch goes, it would be most unusual to find a dud straight out of the box. First thing to check, is whether the plug is actually making contact with the wall socket. If it has a Shuko-style plug, they sometimes give problems in that regard. If you have one of those contactless voltage testers, you may be able to see whether there is voltage on the Power cord when plugged in and switched on 9or even switched off, for that matter). If nothing, suspect the plug-socket contact. If there is voltage, you either need to wait until end of lockdown and take it to Bosch Service (I don’t know where you live, but the guys at the Service Centre at 35 Roper St in Jhb are very helpful), or be prepared to take the machine apart yourself. But before you do that, rotate the speed selector (red knob on one side of the case towards the top) a few times, in case the pot has become gundged up.
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Welcome to the forum Robert. Can't say too much just yet but I have a hard time believing that 2 new in box routers simply don't work. The fact that you're in South Africa (not US) makes me wonder if this isn't a problem common to both routers. Can it be voltage? Have you checked the electrical specifications? And then there's the lack of model numbers. I'd also check with the company's that made these and ask about service. Bosch from my experience will answer the phone. During the pandemic period my be slow but will respond. Triton ......I have no idea. Not good reports from what I've seen here.

But again I think it's likely a common issue that may be affecting them.
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Welcome, Robert...

Regarding the Triton...when you say "mechanism" are you referring to the plunge...? If so, it may just need some cleaning...do not use any oily petroleum products, it'll just make future dust stick better. Again, if it's the plunge, check the lock ever to make sure it is operating freely. It may just be that it is not unlocking completely. You may need to take the lock lever and its parts completely off to clean and lube it with dry lube. By the way, in order to mount the Triton in the table, you should remove the plunge spring to allow it to operate freely. If you are using it freehand, you will need the spring for the plunge to operate correctly.

Regarding the switch...the interlock cover may just be stuck a bit. Make sure the router is in the extreme up position (if it's in the table) and that the shaft is locked with the pin that pops out. Then lower the height with the handle and make sure the shaft goes up and down and that the pin has retracted. If the pin does not retract it may just be stuck...maybe some cleaning might take care of that. Only use dry lubricant like TriFlow.

I think general cleaning and some dry lube (TriFlow) may change your symptoms.

Regarding the Bosch...if you are electrically inclined, you will want to trace the wiring all the way from the plug to the internal wires. I would suggest doing that with a continuity test rather than live voltage initially (ohmeter). Check continuity across the switch first to make sure it makes proper contact when you operate it. If you are not electrically inclined, I would not suggest checking connections with voltage applied. (not sure of your skills) Using the ohmeter, you will want to check connections from point to point.

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Hey, Robert: welcome! Man that's brutal! Two new machines defective from the get-go
I'm guessing Biagio may become your new Best Friend. (He's a goldmine of info.)
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Biagio and NickP's suggestions are right on. I have a Triton and it took awhile to fully understand how the on off switch works with the safety interlock system. If it's in the table, you must remove the spring or it won't work at all. When you crank the Triton to full depth, or as high as it can go while in the table, the interlock is set automatically and you have to crank it down and reset the on/off switch or it won't run. If your unit was stored for years inside a box, a quick wipe down should be enough to free up the plunge mechanism. If you just forgot to remove the spring for in table use, be sure you store it some place where it won't gather sawdust or get lost. The Triton is too heavy for me to comfortably use it for freehand routing, so it lives permanently in my table. I found the lock lever was a bit sensitive and the difference between lock and unlock was rather small.

The Bosch. How long has it been in storage? Was it stored in the box or in the open, such as a shelf? Are you using the fixed or plunge base? Have you made sure the speed control (the tiny red dial on top) is moving freely? Is the switch on? Have you checked the plug to make sure the power is on? Is the voltage a steady flow at the expected range? Not all African countries have reliable power and some have lowered voltage significantly for economic reasons.

There are small, pen sized sensors that detect voltage in wires. They are cheap and very helpful gadgets, look up non contact voltage detector. see pix. A loose wire in a socket would be enough to be the culprit. Try another socket you know works.

Personally, I doubt the storage is much of a factor if they were stored in a box. And if the spring is still in the Triton and it's in the table, that's where I'd start. The Bosch speed control is a tiny electronic circuit and long term storage in a hot storage area, could have dried out a capacitor, but Bosch will take care of it for you, probably not for free.
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Thanks a lot, Biagio. I didn't think I would get a response this quickly. It's a Triton TRS 001 and it's quite old - before they came out with the height winder for the table. I was wrong; it's a 2000 watt model, not 2400. I managed to loosen the mechanism (although I am scared that it will jam again) and I am going to mount it first and put the bit in and give it a go. The switch cover is still jammed, but maybe when it's connected to the table, it will operate. But that's tomorrow. As for the Bosch, I tested it with the same electrical connection as the Triton, so it's probably from long disuse that something has gone wrong inside.

PS: I received responses from a number of helpful routerists (is that a word?), but I don't know how I can collectively communicate with and thank them all on this subject. I only joined this forum so I am not quite clued up on all the jigs and hacks. I also don't know how to keep track of my request for advice. I found these responses only by searching under General. Can you help me there? I will report back when I have tried out all the advice. I just don't know what dry lube is. Is there something I can use instead?
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Thanks a lot, Steve. I bought these two routers (a Triton TRS 001 (2000w, not 2400 as I thought) and a Bosch ACE 1400) quite a number of years ago, but I unpacked them from their sealed boxes a few days ago. Don't ask. It took a lockdown to unlock them. There is a Bosch centre just a few miles down the road here in Cape Town, South Africa, but I can't go there now, because we have quite strict curfews here. You're right about Triton - a lot of dealers here have stopped stocking or repairing them; apparently the spares are difficult to come by. I got some good advice from some guys and I will give it a go.

Thanks and keep safe.

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Triton had a lot of trouble getting a reliable wholesaler years ago, but have really cleaned that up and now are quite helpful. My suggestions were for the model with the crank. Hope you are able to get something working soon.

To follow something recent, go to the top of the page and click on active topics. You can search back through 2 weeks of posts using the options there. Once a week, you should get a long list of posts made during the prior week.

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