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Hello all, I would like to start off this thread with a big thanks to each and everyone who has taken the time to post any amount of valuable information for all of us new guys. With that said my question for all of you:

I am currently in the process of building a new free standing router table, which will hold a PC 7518. After much research I am torn between two router fences; the first system I am considering is the Incra LS Super System. The second system is the Jessem Master-R-Fence with the Mite-R-Slide attachment. If am correct Incra is engineered and built here in the USA while Jessem is built in Canada, which for me is fantastic. I have heard nothing but rave reviews on any and all Jessem products, but I can not same the same for Incra. I am not sure if these negative reviews were operator error but from that I can tell Incra makes a stout system. As you all are wondering what will be the sole purpose for my router table, for that will be a determining factor in which product I should purchase. I currently use my router table for cabinetry (raised panel doors, drawer fronts and edge beading), furniture, in-sets, mantels, different style moldings and pretty much anything that has to do with remodeling. I think both units are great but I would like to have your pro's & con's input for both systems. I have never physically used either one of these units, I am sure some of you own or have used either of the units in the past. Any and all input is greatly appreciated. Thanks again for all your knowledge and time on the is matter.
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Hello all, I would like to start off this thread with a big thanks to each and everyone who has taken the time to post any amount of valuable information for all of us new guys. With that said my question for all of you:

I am currently in the process of building a new free standing router table, which will hold a PC 7518. After much research I am torn between two router fences; the first system I am considering is the Incra LS Super System. The second system is the Jessem Master-R-Fence with the Mite-R-Slide attachment. If am correct Incra is engineered and built here in the USA while Jessem is built in Canada, which for me is fantastic. I have heard nothing but rave reviews on any and all Jessem products, but I can not same the same for Incra. I am not sure if these negative reviews were operator error but from that I can tell Incra makes a stout system. As you all are wondering what will be the sole purpose for my router table, for that will be a determining factor in which product I should purchase. I currently use my router table for cabinetry (raised panel doors, drawer fronts and edge beading), furniture, in-sets, mantels, different style moldings and pretty much anything that has to do with remodeling. I think both units are great but I would like to have your pro's & con's input for both systems. I have never physically used either one of these units, I am sure some of you own or have used either of the units in the past. Any and all input is greatly appreciated. Thanks again for all your knowledge and time on the is matter.
Hi Joshua, I just want to say "Welcome to the forum".
Unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, that's all I can say as I have neither system. . I am sure there will be plenty of input forthcoming though.

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Welcome, Joshua! I would like to know where you have read negative feedback on the incra LS system. In my opinion only, the two best systems available are the Jointech and the Incra. These two systems are nearly twins and are both built in Texas (Incra, Irving and Jointech, Houston). I put Jointech first only because I own that system. Maybe what you read as negative towards the Incra is the learning curve as it is quite steep as far as doing the fancy joinery it is capable of doing.

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I apprecaite all the info guys, keep it coming. From what I can gather Jointech is engineered and assembled in San Antonio, TX, also Jointech was established in 1986 and actually entered into the world of wood working via their doweling jig, not a router fence.....Incra was established in 1987 and entered the industry with a positioning jig which seems closer to their router fence than Jointech's doweling jig. This by no means states that Jointech does not make a great product, it just shows how they evolved into the wood working industry. For example; Yamaha started out making musical instruments and now they engineer some of the fastest motorcylce's on the street. Any who Jointech is cheaper but their system's are lacking in comparison to Incra's systems. If I had to chose between the Jointech and the Incra based on supporting documentation from their website and from reading reviews from individuals on forums such as these I would be more willing to spend my money on the Incra system, that is my opinion. It does seem to me that both companies do have great customer service, which is a plus in my book.....How is the dust collection on the Incra system? How is the addtion of accessories on the Incra system? (feather borads, directional rollers) Thanks again

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Just my $0.02...

I have not used the Jessem fence but I do have the Incra/Jessem Mast-R-Lift (with a PC7518), which is essentially Jessem's lift with Incra's rare-earth magnet ring retaining system. Personally I like the magnet system as it doesn't require a special tool to remove and replace although it does take a small screwdriver or brad to get the leverage to break the magnetic attraction. That said, I have nothing but good things to say about the Jessem lift and I have no reason to believe their fences are other than top-quality.

For fences, I purchased and installed the Incra LS25 with the Wonderfence this summer.
I have used it for creating dovetail drawers and some trivets that requires some very precise, repeatable cuts in addition to miscellaneous work. I have not used it with raised panel bits to date.

Please run what I'm about to say through your own "filter", since I'm comparing the Incra fence I'm intimately knowledgeable with the Jessem color brochure pictures, so I may make a misstatement.

What the Incra does an excellent job of providing is a highly repeatable fence system with very precise offsets from your choice of reference position. If you initially adjust the fence to where the edge (or center) of a bit is precisely adjusted to the edge of the fence, you can move the fence a precise offset from that position and then return it precisely where it is. Any error you make when initially aligning the bit with the fence will be precisely and repeatedly misaligned, and you will complain about the Incra.

For a particular bit, when blind cutting dovetails, there is one and only one height of bit where you will end up with the correct tightness of joint. This can initially be approximated but typically takes a couple of test cuts in scrap to get "perfect". If you do not do this, you will complain about the Incra.

In order for the pieces to go together with the edges precisely aligned (without requiring trimming), the piece must be precisely centered. There is a process for doing this that requires 1 piece of scrap the same width as your final material. If you do not do this... you get the picture.

Once you are set-up the Incra permits you to make many types and sizes of joints without requiring additional pieces.

For other fence use, it is a dream. Its easily adjustable in 1/32" increments with a toothed-offset mechanism and continuously adjustable using it's calibrated know in thousandths of an inch (much more than is needed for anything except centering, in my experience). It is also much stronger than it may appear. The Wonderfence also makes jointing easy because it has sliding wedges you can use to adjust the offset of the infeed from the outfeed. This is convenient.

The strength of this fence is also its disadvantage. It has a long depth-adjustment bar. This permits you to make cuts offset about 2 feet from the bit. During that time, however, the bar sticks the same 2 feet out the back of the mount. Thus it requires a couple of feet behind the table if you're making these deep cuts.

The Jessem (from the picture) doesn't appear to have the any form of toothed-base registration. Without it, you may not have the repeatability. This may not matter, for your use. T

One of out members (TwoSkies57) has installed the Jessem Mast-R-Slide to his Incra fence setup and loves it. You might consider messaging him for more info or look in his gallery, as he shows the who setup, including its construction. The Mast-R-Slide looks like one heckuva setup and I may one day add it to my Incra also, as it appears to be a superior mitering slide to the one provided by Incra.

Please don't take my comments as anything negative against the Mast-R-Fence. I've no doubt its one mighty fine setup, depending upon how you plan to use it. For raised panel bits and remodeling, the Jessem may even be superior.

In any event, both are top-quality and I don't think you can go wrong with either choice.

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You have a nice problem. I have a Jessem Rout R lift with a DW625 bolted in. For a fence, I use an Incra Ultra fence. I have adapted the RAJ and added taller sub fences to the Incra, for jointing and routing with a sacrificial insert for the bit. I also have a hollow fence that takes care of the dust extraction, and a guide pin set up that also has dust extraction. I have Incra's dvd, and watch their videos on their site. Knowledge, set up and a bit of practice are all that are needed for really good results. The only downside is the 18" or so of fence rail sticking out the back of the table for the fence.
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After much research I am torn between two router fences; the first system I am considering is the Incra LS Super System. The second system is the Jessem Master-R-Fence with the Mite-R-Slide attachment.
Router table fences start at about 37 cents(short length of a straight 2x4) to well over $300 for the two you mentioned. I consider the later to be more of a joinery system than a fence. As far as a fence, there is nothing an Incra, Jessem, or Jointech can do that can't be done with a straight piece of scrap wood or plastic. Many new members of this forum seem to think that they need a lift and one of these fancy joinery systems to complete their projects. I can't really say anything bad about that, since I do own an Incra Ultra. My table was built large to accept the Incra, double as a workbench, and use a clamp on fence. I did build a fully adjustable fence with t-tracks that clamps to the top(both table and fence can be found in my gallery). The Incra, as shown in the manual, is attached to a piece of plywood that can also be clamped to the table. I made a special spot for it to store on the end of the table where it stays most of the time, although I have used it for joinery a few times.

Many router table operations require that the bit be partially buried in the fence. The basic Incra system has a very narrow opening for the bit. To get around this you must either, buy the super system(includes the wonder fence, and substantially adds to the cost ), buy the wonder fence separately, or build your own sub fences.

As far as the quality and precision, it is everything it advertises itself to be. It is much stronger than it looks like it should be. Once you learn how to center your stock, the learning curve is not that bad. Just slide in the template for the joint you want and go for it. You will quickly find that many quality bits can be + or - 3 to 5 thousandths (even in sets made for the Incra). These bits will be great for everyday use, but are way to far off for the precision of the jig. I have had the best luck with Whiteside bits. Sorry to ramble on, but I hope this helps your decision.

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If you use the Incra jig jointing system, you do need exact sized bits. I made a digital depth gauge to get accurate setups. I mounted my Incra on a piece of ply that bolts to the table, and is accurately repostionable.
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I was going to buy a Incra at one time, so I took at hard look at it,,the tip off for me was the gold color, it looked like gold and about the same price as gold so I when with the black one for 50.oo bucks ..

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