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Default When building a table, what would you not want?

Kind of a twist on the old "what would you want" thread ... assume you were building a router table again. What would you definitely not add to the table ... and why?

Maybe take it one step further ... if you were advising a newbie on their first table, what would you recommend against building?

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Kind of a twist on the old "what would you want" thread ... assume you were building a router table again. What would you definitely not add to the table ... and why?

Maybe take it one step further ... if you were advising a newbie on their first table, what would you recommend against building?

Thanks!
HI Carl..Tough question, everybody works different. Miter slots are a good example, I use one a lot, others wouldn't have one. Same with a split fence, I like the ability to adjust for the width of the bit, while others like the fixed, everything lines up all the time approach.
I'm a proponent of purchasing the first table and using what it comes with. Then objectively assesing each of the features in light of your own, personal taste and work habit. I would recommend against a cast aluminum or cast iron first table as there are inevitably things you will want to change or try and, unless you are equipped to work with that stuff, it is very difficult. It is also difficult to change it back if you decide the change wasn't as good an idea as you first thought.
Hmmm, did I adequately avoid the question?

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Carl, that wins the prize for originality. I would not want my table to have items that didn't directly improve my routing. Examples of this would be a router lift, miter track or a fence that attached in slots cut in the table. I prefer a clean table top with as few spots that can accumulate sawdust as possible. One member told me the reason he didn't like clamping his fence to the table was the C clamps were never where he left them and he would have to spend time searching for them. The solution to that is to have clamps built into the fence like this fence from ShopNotes #1. I modified the design slightly and like the way this fence works. Note all the holes in the table top for attaching items and the oddball sized miter track. I traded tables with a guy but we kept our fences. The table top in the 3rd photo is from ShopNotes #1. The fence shown is the fence from the crappy table in the first two photos. I attached the top to a metal stand I bought at a yard sale for $5. It was the perfect height to work from in a swivel chair. I added the switched outlet and painted it to freshen it up. The 4th photo is my favorite table from Oak Park, the Router Workshop table. Photo #5 is one of the options for the ShopNotes table with an open stand. Plans are also included for the closed cabinet seen in photo #6. You will see this table on the PBS show Woodsmith Shop.
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Kind of a twist on the old "what would you want" thread ... assume you were building a router table again. What would you definitely not add to the table ... and why?

Maybe take it one step further ... if you were advising a newbie on their first table, what would you recommend against building?

Thanks!
I would NOT want a fence that was held with clamps, there are other simple yet more efficient ways to fit an adjustable fence to a table. I also would not have a low fence which severely limits what it can be used for.
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Hi Carl:

I'm with Mike on this one. The top should be as clean as possible, with minimal discontinuity of the top. No miter track. No slots for fence or other attachments. No insert plate -- just rings. No inserts on the top surface to mount equipment to the top. Inserts, when present, should be (IMHO) on the edge or bottom.

No to powered router lifts. Quicker to use a properly designed manual lift. Of course, some routers come with suitable height adjusters in their bases. (I don't mean through-the-table-top adjusters, which would require another hole in the top.)

For support, minimal places for dust to settle. Dust collectors might not collect all the dust thrown by the routers. So, have the top on a support that promotes the dust to settle on the floor, not on the table support. That leads naturally to cabinet, rather than leg support.

No structure should interfere with the air flow through the tool. So, no totally enclosed routers! Always make sure clean air flows to the router and the router exhaust has somewhere to go.

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Thanks to all, so far, this is exactly what I was hoping for in this discussion. As John said, it is so difficult to change it back ... so this thread gives me a chance to see the why side of a bad idea.

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I would not want a HF insert plate. Bought one. Installed it. Not as flat as I'd like and the leveling allen screws are so close to the edge that they break out. I'll be buying a stout aluminum plate for my next table.

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HI Carl..Tough question, everybody works different. Miter slots are a good example, I use one a lot, others wouldn't have one. Same with a split fence, I like the ability to adjust for the width of the bit, while others like the fixed, everything lines up all the time approach.
I'm a proponent of purchasing the first table and using what it comes with. Then objectively assesing each of the features in light of your own, personal taste and work habit. I would recommend against a cast aluminum or cast iron first table as there are inevitably things you will want to change or try and, unless you are equipped to work with that stuff, it is very difficult. It is also difficult to change it back if you decide the change wasn't as good an idea as you first thought.
Hmmm, did I adequately avoid the question?
I fully agree with you Harry. I have the Woodpeckers top and split fence with the adjustable feature for offsets rather using shims for offsets. It is rare that I don't use my miter gauge to help me control my cuts and use the t-track for mounting my featherboards. Both the Miter track and t-tracks are very useful for other functions also. As far as sawdust accumulation it collects on a perfectly flat table also and has to be cleaned off just like one with tracks installed. I had thought about a router lift until I mounted my Milwaukee router to the table with its above table adjustment and I'm sure is just as accurate as the high dollar lifts. I can also change the bits with the router in its full up position. I do have to slightly bend to release/apply the lock, but even though I have a bad back it isn't all that uncomfortable. All in all it boils down to a preference where nobody is wrong in having a router table that suits there likes and dislikes.

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I would not use Maple plywood again. My current table has a Maple plywood top and it's been refinished twice. My new table will have plastic laminate that will hold up to the abuse.
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Ken, you are correct that there is no wrong way to build a table or use accessories. We all have our reasons for the choices we have made in tools. You mentioned dust on the table; I have one of the Vacuplates from Oak Park and it collects most of the dust when routing away from the fence. It works really well when routing slots, dadoes or sliding dovetails. I modified my box joint jigs to work with the plate and am very pleased with the results. I am mulling over ideas for adapting other plates to work this way. Open discussion on the forums presents ideas that benefit us all.
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