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post #1 of 22 (permalink) Old 03-19-2012, 10:05 AM Thread Starter
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Default Need 15amp Router for JessEm Rout-R-Lift

About 10yrs ago I bought a Powermatic table saw with a Powermatic/JessEm Rout-R-Lift extension. I have been using a Freud FT2000E 3-1/4-Horsepower Electronic Variable Speed Plunge Router which worked well until yesterday when smoke came billowing out along with little shards of windings. Surprisingly and somewhat unbelievably It's still running fine although, under the circumstances I expect that to change in the very near future.

I'm looking to buy another 15 amp router to replace it and I'm interested in recommendations. Plunge is not necessary since my Rout-R-Lift is the type where the base of the router is fastened to the Rout-R-Lift's plate that does the raising/lowering. Fixed is also not necessary (although preferred) since it's not the type of lift that connects to the routers motor housing.

Things I consider a must are: Little to no Spindle Run-out, Build quality/durability, power-3hp min., must be able to accept a 3-1/8in bit (min base opening 3.25in) and variable speed or at least five fixed speeds.

Now what I'd REALLY, REALLY, REALLY like in order of importance is: Above the table bit changing ability, a fixed base router, some sort of spindle lock so the bits can be changed with just one wrench (this being the least important).

Things that are not important considerations at all are: weight/feel, plunge quality, stops, measurement guides, edge guides/fences or other similar extras since this router is just going to be lowered to it's lowest (or highest in table) position, have all unnecessary hardware removed (plunge springs etc.) and be left there until IT spews it's inner working as well.

Anyway thanks in advance. Your suggestions will be appreciated.
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Something I forgot to mention is I use an external power switch so routers that have problems with dust build-up messing them up (their power switch) will not be a problem since I can just cover the switch and leave it alone.
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Almost two weeks and still no opinions? Anybody?
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I do not use lifts, I do things the quick and easy way. What diameter motor will your lift accept? That will determine which routers can work in it.

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Idonno:

JessEm's lifts are Router-specific, and I'm not sufficiently familiar with their line to know if it is inexpensive to change from one specificity to another (if you're looking for a slam-dunk router recommendation - Bosch 12 amp or 15 amp is my choice - though, everyone seems to have their favorites). However, back to Mike's point, above, it seems that JessEm needs to clarify your options.
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Well first off I appreciate the responses.

The type of JessEm Rout-R-Lift I have is the "Powermatic/JessEm Rout-R-Lift" and as I said earlier: "my Rout-R-Lift is the type where the base of the router is fastened to the Rout-R-Lift's plate that does the raising/lowering" so it's definitely not Router-specific or the type that just has a mount for the motor.

Anotherwards the entire router (base and all) mounts to a mounting plate at the router base where the plastic Sub-base would normally be, Which in turn is mounted to the raising/lowering mechanism.

Any type of router that has a base can be used with the only limiting factor being strange mounting holes on the router but, even that can be overcome with a little drilling and tapping.

To clarify things even more the type of JessEm Rout-R-Lift is the "The Original" (same as the "Powermatic/JessEm Rout-R-Lift") seen here: well it appears that I'm not allowed to post a link yet (or anything even close) but if you google "Rout-R-Lift The Original Router Lift" then select the same you will get the proper result.

Anyway thanks again for the responses and if any one has any more suggestions taking my original post into account , I would like to here them.
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With this, I'm going to draw a blank on how to proceed. JessEm makes great products; though, I don't own any of them (I have the Incra lift, which JessEm manufactured - this is sized specifically for the PC 7518, with a reducer for the PC 890/690 series).

A call into JessEm may shed some light on your options - I have found most manufacturers enjoy helping on questions like this - Incra spent an inordinate amount of time on a series of questions I had).

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Only 2 fixed-base 15A routers I know of are the Porter-Cable 7518 and the Milwaukee 5625.

Both are tried-and true workhorses, as much power as you'll be able to get in any router. Neither are going to offer you above-the-table bit changes with a single wrench. The P-C has enough room in the base casting for a grapefruit, the Milwaukee looks like it might not pass your 3-1/8 panel bit but they offer a "Production Base Assembly" that might fit your requirement.

That's about it for fixed-base heavy-duty production routers, not a lot to choose from.

If this is your lift Jessem Rout-R-Lift it looks like the adapter ring has enough holes to fit almost any router.

Lots of plungers that'd do all you want, ultimate in build quality and reliability would have to be the Festool OF 2200. Pricey little sucker, though. You'd probably want to take your ring to a Festool dealer just to make sure it's got holes to fit or call Jessem to verify. But if you only want to buy one more table router the rest of your life this would be my suggestion.

For other 15A plungers, check out DeWalt 625, Bosch 1619, Makita 2301, Triton 001(seems to be a favorite around this forum), P-C 7539. All have their pros and cons, you can find infinite # of discussions and reviews on each. My big plunger is B&D/Elu 3339, predecessor of the DW 625. Dates back to early '90's, parts still available. Wouldn't allow 3-1/8 bit, DeWalt has changed base so maybe 625 would. Bosch advertises 3-3/4 base opening, rest don't say.

Spend some time on this forum searching, Google, go to dealers and kick tires. You'll find something that'll suit you.

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Thank you Bill, very good response.
Like all new tool purchases that I make I've already spent a considerable amount of time researching this issue and like you

noticed the adapter ring has enough holes to fit almost any router so "which router will fit" is not at issue.

I also narrowed down the fixed-base 15A routers to the Porter-Cable 7518 and the Milwaukee 5625 with the Milwaukee tacking a slight

lead (so far) since the problems it has with dust build-up in the switch can be eliminated with my external power switch.

I was hoping I had missed something in this department though. I don't know why the manufacturers of fixed-base 15A routers don't

add a simple spindle slide lock.

Do you know if either of these routers can have bit changes done with 2 wrenches from above the table? From all pictures I've seen

it's kind of hard to tell whether the 2nd wrench attaches to the spindle close to the collet or the motor housing, or whether the

spindle would extend far enough above the the table even if the spindle wrench was close to the collet wrench?

As far as the 15A plunge routers go one thing I liked about my Freud FT2000E was aside from not being a fixed base router it had all the other features I needed at a very reasonable price of $175 (Although longevity also does not seem to be one of those features).

I think one of the reasons it was so cheep was the general feel and plunge action was poor, at least that is my opinion as well as quite a few other reviewers. The nice part is that while these less than desirable attributes helped keep the prices down they were of no consequence to my intended use. For my router table It really doesn't matter if it feels like a slightly out-of-control top-heavy gyroscope as long as it has little to no spindle run-out.

So with all that in mind I really hate paying top dollar for a plunge router with all those great attributes if I'm never going to use it as a hand held tool or experience it's wonderful plunge action and precise stops etc. I have other routers for that.

Which is why with at least the plunge routers I wonder whether a Hitachi M12VE for $199 with a not so great plunge action (according to some reviews) wouldn't be just as useful for my application as a much more expensive router.

Something like a Festool would be great but, it would be almost criminal to spend $800 on a router then not use or disable most of those great features!

By the way Bill I really like your Incra table saw fence.
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With a 'bent' wrench, the PC should handle the two-wrenches above the table, assuming the table insert is wide-enough (this should not be an issue, but I'll mention this). The PC89x series allows for this, and my understanding is the 7518 has an even larger capacity. The two-wrench system isn't slick, but it is effective - just be careful not to nick the cutterhead in the process.
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