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I've been working this week on setting up an Incra 25" Positioner on a 43"x27" table with the Incra Master Lift II, I believe. There are a couple of things that I just can't figure out or seem to a little "off".
The first is that the table is not long enough to securely mount the Incra base fully on the table. It ended up only with only a couple of inches of the base on the table and the remainder hanging over the edge. Doesn't seem right. I installed a larger one on my table saw and it fit perfectly but it also came with rails so the table length was not an issue.
The second issue was with the leveling screws installed in the cut out for the lift on the table top. When they were screw down completely, it wasn't quite far enough. Close, but off almost the thickness of a playing card. I removed each one and with a correctly sized Forstner bit drilled the screw hole a little deeper. Now the lift fits perfectly. For the money and the number of these they make, one would think it would work better with no modifications required.
The photos show what I'm working with. I'm in the process of building a cabinet in the router table.
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I've been working this week on setting up an Incra 25" Positioner on a 43"x27" table with the Incra Master Lift II, I believe. There are a couple of things that I just can't figure out or seem to a little "off".
The first is that the table is not long enough to securely mount the Incra base fully on the table. It ended up only with only a couple of inches of the base on the table and the remainder hanging over the edge. Doesn't seem right. I installed a larger one on my table saw and it fit perfectly but it also came with rails so the table length was not an issue.
The second issue was with the leveling screws installed in the cut out for the lift on the table top. When they were screw down completely, it wasn't quite far enough. Close, but off almost the thickness of a playing card. I removed each one and with a correctly sized Forstner bit drilled the screw hole a little deeper. Now the lift fits perfectly. For the money and the number of these they make, one would think it would work better with no modifications required.
The photos show what I'm working with. I'm in the process of building a cabinet in the router table.
Don, if that is an Incra table top, it is predrilled for mounting the LS base? Just use those holes. Woodpeckers sells a 53" table to give you the full range of the LS25.
You will not have the full range with a 43" table, sorry. That is rarely a problem unless you are routing really wide boards.

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Included with the instructions for Incra Original Incremental Positioning Jig is a diagram for attaching an extension piece to the table if your table is too short. So Incra do realize this may be an issue on some tables.

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Thanks Duane and James - It's good to know I'm not totally crazy. The top is just too short to get maximum usage out of the positioner. But, thinking back over my history of router usage, there have been very few times I've needed this space. Most of my routing is edge routing but I can see it would be handy for dados in cabinets which can also be done on a saw. I just assumed that if they were selling the top and positioner together, they would be correctly sized. I do have the instructions for adding an extension, but space in my shop is at a premium right now and will probably just leave it as is. Thanks again for your comments. Don
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I know Duane gave you the answer, but here's the listing from the Incremental site:


This 27" x 43" Offset Router Table is our widest top and is similar in depth to most table saws for more work surface front-to-rear. This table allows full capacity on the LS 17 Systems. With the LS25 Systems, this table allows 19" capacity between the router centerline and the fence with the positioner's base mounted inside the table's edge, and allows full capacity with the base overhanging the right-hand edge. Pre-drilled for the LS positioners; includes an aluminum MagnaLock router mounting plate and a preinstalled aluminum miter channel.

I didn't look at the Incra manuals, but i'd be surprised if this is not addressed there also. Sounds like you could overhang if you wanted/needed the full 25" at times.

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If you want full capacity then the base will overhang by about 5 inches. You need 4 inches of the base secured to the table.

It's in the manual.
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Don,
You should call Incra tech support about the leveling screws not seating deep enough to level the top of the plate with the table top. That doesn't sound right. I have the same Incra offset table with the Incra Mast-r-lift II installed as well. I had no issues leveling the plate to the table top on mine. I actually can screw it down below the table top.
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I went with the LS-17 Supersystem as I didn't expect the need for the 25" system. Five years and haven't ever needed the extra depth. I did know at the time I purchased the system that their table limited the fence depth of the LS-25 to 19" unless you added a blocking extension. For your needs, use it with the existing mounting holes in the table. If you find you need the extra depth, add the 4" blocking to the back of the table.
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I'm really glad to have found this thread. I am looking into the Incra positioner system and was wondering about the difference of the 2. I am now sure the 17 would be right for what I do. So when the time comes I can order the LS-17. Thank you all for posting this information.

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I'm also looking at the Incra LS 17 and 25. I appreciate reading this thread; it's been helpful. Since the cost of the of LS 25 is $30 more than the LS 17, I'll go with the LS 25. One thing I discovered is that Woodpecker makes a 32"x53" table pre-drilled/routed to accomodate the Incra LS 25.

Regarding the leveling screws, I would call Incra tech support. Modifying any component could void the warranty. Besides the stuff is brand new and is engineered to be right, so it should work out of the box.

I would love to see more pictures of the build. Looking very nice.

Do you think the router table top is sufficiently rigid? How stable is the stand?

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