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post #1 of 11 (permalink) Old 11-13-2015, 05:52 AM Thread Starter
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With the cost of purchasing a dedicated router, lift and possibly a router top/cabinet;

Would it be worth looking at purchasing a shaper instead? Cost wise, they seem fairly close.

What would be the benefit of one over the other?

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Quick note: the stitches are now out and I am allowed to leave the house now! I still have to watch what I lift for a few more weeks, but I am ready to hit the town! AND It was nice to finally take a shower! I did sink baths, so no stinky jokes!

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With the cost of purchasing a dedicated router, lift and possibly a router top/cabinet;

Would it be worth looking at purchasing a shaper instead? Cost wise, they seem fairly close.

What would be the benefit of one over the other?

Thank you guys for all the help you have been providing.

Quick note: the stitches are now out and I am allowed to leave the house now! I still have to watch what I lift for a few more weeks, but I am ready to hit the town! AND It was nice to finally take a shower! I did sink baths, so no stinky jokes!
good deal on the stitches..
it could have been French baths and you now have another hobby....

your debate has gone on for some time here..
example...
http://www.routerforums.com/table-mo...ter-table.html
and there's more to be found through the search function...

go with the RT...
Max out the HP and use a better lift...
build the rest...
you won't regret it...

This would have been the week that I'd have finished chewing thru the restraints...
If only new layers hadn't been added....

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I pounder the same question from time to time. Especially when I see really nice shapers on Craigslist for $300-400.
I have the realization that shapers are really designed to operate at lower rpms due to the fact they typically use much larger Dia and width cutter that need to run at those lower rpms.
To use a .500 or smaller cut at an efficient rpm would require a pulley change. At least those are my thoughts.
They sure do look nice with their heavy cast it on tops though.
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Router table hands down. The bits for shapers are a small fortune, and with a narrow bit I would want the high rpms of a router

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Information on shaper v. router --

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Even if you bought a shaper you would still need a router because a shaper can't do everything a router can do, especially a plunge router. A shaper is more of a production machine, you put a bit on it and you run several hundred pieces through.

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Wow, tons of info.....

I do see the benefits of the router..... Looks like that will be the "route"r I go!

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Some routers allow lift-type adjustment without the added expense of a lift. My example is a Bosch 1617 EVSPK, with the fixed base mounted in my table, and i can pop the motor out to use in the plunge base. In the table, i can make most adjustments from above--but i do have to reach below the table to unlock the motor to do that. If i added a Muscle Chuck, i could probably even make above the table bit changes. In exchange for the inconvenience of reaching under the table--i saved enough to buy a second 1617 EVSPK and a used Grizzly 6" long bed jointer--worth the inconvenience to me, but your mileage may vary.

Other routers offer the same ability, but most rely on the plunge base in the table. I favor the Bosch for the reason that with the plunge base for use out of the table--the plunge base can do anything a fixed router can, but a fixed base router cannot plunge.

My take, and my methods, are not preferred by all. Which is cool--that supports choice!!

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Router hands down. I have 2 Bosch 1617s and like them a lot. But for the table, I had a Rockler lift (bad!) for the 1617 in the table. Tossed the lift. Wound up buying a Triton TRA 001, which has the lift built in, and is also a 3.25 hp motor. Really got it based on recommendations, here, plus Marc Sommerfeld uses one in his terrific router skills videos, which is a clencher for me. Most of the comments here on shapers seem right on...high production machines really.
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