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I recently got done purchasing most of the equipment for my new shop and because of an unexpected expensive dental bill my budget was slashed $1600. I won't be able to get the set up I had wanted so I am trying to put something together that is decent yet still affordable. I was going to put off getting the router system but I already have a request for dovetail drawers. The only router I have is a cheap Black and Decker Fire Storm plunge router.

After doing a little research on quality versus price I came up with this. Anyone see any issues I might run into or possibly something better for cheaper.

This Bosch Combo Base Router
Bosch Factory Reconditioned 2 25 HP Plunge and Fixed Base Router Combo Kit | eBay

Either of these Bosch Tables (haven't done much research on either table so not sure yet)
Bosch Benchtop Router Table RA1181 New | eBay

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New Bosch RA1171 Cabinet Style Router Table with Adjustable MDF Face Plates | eBay

any recommendations on affordable and good quality dovetail jigs? I had my heart set on the newest Leigh but the budget won't allow it this time around. I am thinking about a Porter Cable system.

PORTER-CABLE 4216 Super Jig - Dovetail jig (4215 With Mini Template Kit) - - Amazon.com
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Out of curiosity, have you looked at the Rockler dovetail jig?

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I watched one video where the guy was reviewing a couple jigs including the Leigh and he said he used to use the Rockwell and he wanted to throw it out the window so I didn't explore it any further.
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I hate to say this but you might think of telling the folks that wanted the dovetailed drawers that you can't do it right now. It will not take that long to save more money ""IF"" you really put your mind to it.

Many years ago I made a router table out of a piece of MDF with a hole in it and a straight two by four as a fence. You would be surprised how well it worked.

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I have the Rockler jig and its fine. But it uses plastic for the template. This is OK, but you must NEVER lift the router upwards if it is still turning. The Porter Cable uses metal templates, and I think there may more variety of templates for the PC. I now have a Sommerfeld Katey jig and like it a lot. Kind of intuitive to use. Whichever jig you use, be sure you mark the work pieces for inside and outside, and which ends get the tails. Lay it out carefully BEFORE you make any dovetails. Use same size scrap wood to set the jig up as you have to finesse it to make the dovetails fit just right.
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Both Bosch tables are a bit on the small side, the 1171 the worst of the 2. The 1171 also has a quirk in that the bit opening on the table is 3 5/8" but the fence only opens 3 3/16" which wouldn't allow a panel raiser or 1 1/2" roundover. I personally would also like to have my router in the open where it is easier to get to. Don is correct that a flat sheet of panel and a 2 x 4 with a notch cut out works well enough and quite a few of us have used that setup at some point.

My personal opinion is that you can do better by making a table and for a lot less money. I made one for my son last summer for $5 out of re-purposed materials and there are photos in my uploads as well as pics of home made sliding face fences. There is nothing magical about router tables. As Don said they are just a flat work surface.
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I hate to say this but you might think of telling the folks that wanted the dovetailed drawers that you can't do it right now. It will not take that long to save more money ""IF"" you really put your mind to it.

Many years ago I made a router table out of a piece of MDF with a hole in it and a straight two by four as a fence. You would be surprised how well it worked.
Thanks, I can always upgrade later however right now I don't want to turn down any business. I already have someone who also wants a custom entertainment stand as well.

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I have the Rockler jig and its fine. But it uses plastic for the template. This is OK, but you must NEVER lift the router upwards if it is still turning. The Porter Cable uses metal templates, and I think there may more variety of templates for the PC. I now have a Sommerfeld Katey jig and like it a lot. Kind of intuitive to use. Whichever jig you use, be sure you mark the work pieces for inside and outside, and which ends get the tails. Lay it out carefully BEFORE you make any dovetails. Use same size scrap wood to set the jig up as you have to finesse it to make the dovetails fit just right.
I watched several videos on the porter cable system and felt that one for my budget looks like my best bet. The Sommerfeld was my original choice awhile back until I saw the Leigh. The Rockler having the plastic templates would worry me a little bit.

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Both Bosch tables are a bit on the small side, the 1171 the worst of the 2. The 1171 also has a quirk in that the bit opening on the table is 3 5/8" but the fence only opens 3 3/16" which wouldn't allow a panel raiser or 1 1/2" roundover. I personally would also like to have my router in the open where it is easier to get to. Don is correct that a flat sheet of panel and a 2 x 4 with a notch cut out works well enough and quite a few of us have used that setup at some point.

My personal opinion is that you can do better by making a table and for a lot less money. I made one for my son last summer for $5 out of re-purposed materials and there are photos in my uploads as well as pics of home made sliding face fences. There is nothing magical about router tables. As Don said they are just a flat work surface.
Looks like I have quite the decision to make then on my router table. Besides the Bosch table anyone have issues with the choice of router. I wanted to go with the Makita but I do have several Bosch tools and it seemed like a pretty good price. As for the Raised Panels I already have the Grizzly Panel Cutter/Rail/Stile Sets for the Shaper I have. As for buying a table if there is one the is better for around the same price I am all ears.

I haven't checked the table out much but a guy locally who I bought my cabinet saw from has this for sale. I'm not sure how good of a deal it is but its cheaper than a Bosch Table and I'd get an extra router.

http://twintiers.craigslist.org/tls/5452857650.html
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Eric - I just had occasion to buy that reconditioned router package from CPO Outlets for $174. If you trust the eBay seller, that's a great priceP
My purchase, other than the fact, the price was much better than I could get in Canada (24 hour shipping to where I'm vacationing in the States, and no tax), was based on all the recommendations from folks on this site. Bosch seems to be well-respected on here.
I've got a PC 692 package as well as a Craftsman, and an old B&D, but I'm looking forward to putting this baby to use when I get home in a couple of weeks. My router table is an old Vermont American that I bought used, and I've had a router installed in the extension of my table saw, but the first thing I'll do when I get back is to build a proper table.
If you check my uploads you'll see pics of a homemande fence with sliding faces I built some time ago. Had some material on hand so the only cost was the price of the knobs.

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Eric - I just had occasion to buy that reconditioned router package from CPO Outlets for $174. If you trust the eBay seller, that's a great priceP
My purchase, other than the fact, the price was much better than I could get in Canada (24 hour shipping to where I'm vacationing in the States, and no tax), was based on all the recommendations from folks on this site. Bosch seems to be well-respected on here.
I've got a PC 692 package as well as a Craftsman, and an old B&D, but I'm looking forward to putting this baby to use when I get home in a couple of weeks. My router table is an old Vermont American that I bought used, and I've had a router installed in the extension of my table saw, but the first thing I'll do when I get back is to build a proper table.
If you check my uploads you'll see pics of a homemande fence with sliding faces I built some time ago. Had some material on hand so the only cost was the price of the knobs.
Thanks, I was actually just about to pull the trigger on the purchase and get it. I was just trying to figure out the best way to save more cash, ebay bucks, credit card points, and ebates should get me 5% back. Every bit extra helps.

I am obviously new to woodworking and I don't know anyone near me who does it so you guys are all I have. I appreciate everyone being so helpful and being patient as I learn as I go.

Learning how to make things seems easiest to me, making the decisions on what exactly are the best machines for me I have trouble with. I can get overwhelmed with so many choices, opinions and reviews. I bought a Bosch Tile Saw, Bosch Sliding Miter and a Bosch Table Saw so why not a Bosch Router.
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I'll probably upgrade later on my Router Table (probably build my own) and the dovetail jig. Here are the last of my purchases. Went over budget but hopefully this is the last of my purchases for awhile other than normal items such as router bits, ect. Going to have to sell a few things on ebay and craigslist so my better half doesn't kill me. I was second guessing the Bosch Router table because of its smaller size but it seemed to get great reviews. We shall see.

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