[Seldonman]

Hello Everyone,

I intend to be a more faithful follower and contributor to Router Forums since as of the first of this month I am officially retired. The week I retired a lady at church told me another member was selling his house and moving to a town house and he had some woodworking tools that he wanted to sell. Well, to make a long story short I bought his Jet Cabinet saw with 92 inch Incra rails and the LS-II fence plus the Miter 5000 cross cutting sled. The extension table on the saw has a Jessum router lift and I just ordered and received the INCRA scales for the fence. Question, I currently have a Rockler router table with an INCRA Lift. Is the router table now redundant, that is, is there a reason to have two router tables with lifts? I definitely intent to use the INCRA Fence for making box joints and dove tail joints on the table saw extension table but can't think of a reason I would need the Rockler. Any thoughts would be appreciated as always.

Jim

 

[sunnybob]

You can never have enough routers. And if they all go up and down thats even better.
If you have the space to keep both, then thats what you must do.

 

[jj777746]

Hello Everyone,

I intend to be a more faithful follower and contributor to Router Forums since as of the first of this month I am officially retired. The week I retired a lady at church told me another member was selling his house and moving to a town house and he had some woodworking tools that he wanted to sell. Well, to make a long story short I bought his Jet Cabinet saw with 92 inch Incra rails and the LS-II fence plus the Miter 5000 cross cutting sled. The extension table on the saw has a Jessum router lift and I just ordered and received the INCRA scales for the fence. Question, I currently have a Rockler router table with an INCRA Lift. Is the router table now redundant, that is, is there a reason to have two router tables with lifts? I definitely intent to use the INCRA Fence for making box joints and dove tail joints on the table saw extension table but can't think of a reason I would need the Rockler. Any thoughts would be appreciated as always.

Jim

@Seldonman.Hi Jim,hope you bought your new toys at a good price.No matter what you paid you sound very happy & you can tell us how much if you want to.But follow Sunnybobs advice & keep them. Jamesjj

 

[difalkner]

Good score, Jim! Pictures??

David

 

[Nickp]

It's against the law to reduce redundant woodworking tool inventory...Ref: "Book of Things", Ch. 14, pp 542-544

Congrats...nice score...

You will find that some projects will force you to break down, change bits, only to set the original bit again...suggest you keep them both until one collects dust...

 

[woodknots]

Jim, if you feel you have too many you could always send one complete setup to me. I'd be happy to make you feel better - watch for a PM with my address. Oh, and feel free to include any other tools that are causing you grief.

BTW, congrats on your retirement - I've been retired for 3 years and there's no life like it.

 

[woodworker47]

Jim,

I have been retired 10 years now. Yesterday I helped a friend put up a new garage door opener. He wants to pay me, but I would not accept money so we agreed that he and his wife, my wife and I would go out for dinner. My wife gets invited to these and never lifts a hand. Go figure. As for router, I have 4. Based what I see on this forum, I am short by a couple. I have only one router table which was pattern after the one Norm Abrams built on his show.

By the way, when I have spare time, I volunteer at the hospital one day a week and in the summer play golf 3 days a week.

Enjoy your retirement and new TOYS.


Frank

 

[Seldonman]

Well this guy was trying to rip me off by charging me $300.00 for the whole kitten kaboodle but I stated I wouldn't pay a cent less than $400.00 because I drive a hard bargain. The saw is a Jet JTAS 10 inch circa 2002. It runs on 220 so I had to put a 220 circuit in my garage and while I was at it I added another 120VAC circuit. Please select your response: A. You way over Paid, B. Sounds about right. C. Your going to jail for Grand Larceny! Oh, yeah, I got the following two items for an additional 100.00. Talk about a kid in a candy store... I am in the process of putting in the router in the extension table so the saw top is messy at this time.

 

[richjh]

It's against the law to reduce redundant woodworking tool inventory...Ref: "Book of Things", Ch. 14, pp 542-544

Congrats...nice score...

You will find that some projects will force you to break down, change bits, only to set the original bit again...suggest you keep them both until one collects dust...

I agree with Nick on this one. I have a tablesaw router setup I use most of the time but I have used my other router table setup when I have a project using different profiles so I don't have to keep changing bits. It also comes down to space. If you have room for both, keep both. You won't regret it. My shop is my shared 2 car garage. My second setup is just a router table top that I sit on some saw horses when I need it. The lack of space is what pushed me into the saw extension router wing.

I hope you get some good use from your new toys.

Rich

 

[schnewj]

It's against the law to reduce redundant woodworking tool inventory...Ref: "Book of Things", Ch. 14, pp 542-544

Congrats...nice score...

You will find that some projects will force you to break down, change bits, only to set the original bit again...suggest you keep them both until one collects dust...

Huh! Don't router tables normally collect dust? :wink:>>>

 

[honesttjohn]

Me thinks you dun perty good!!

 

[Seldonman]

Yes, what was I thinking, it is against the law to get rid of tools. Problem is is that I am having trouble getting my new car into the garage. But on second thought a car is not a tool so it does not belong in the garage, right!

 

[old coasty]

I like your way of thinking. My car was in the garage one time before we moved in. Hasn't been in there since.

 

[Nickp]

Yes, what was I thinking, it is against the law to get rid of tools. Problem is is that I am having trouble getting my new car into the garage. But on second thought a car is not a tool so it does not belong in the garage, right!

Exactly...when they measure garages in terms of x-car-garage, it only refers to a unit of measure approximating 5'x16'...it is a common unit of measure used to develop the amount of tools that can be placed in that space. For example, a two-car-garage actually provides 4 units of measure in equivalent space. This maximizes the amount of tools that can be placed in the same space to approximately double had square footage been used as a measure instead...

Using this method allows for the "theoretical placement of vehicle" in the same space...sort of what happens in quantum mechanics...two things can occupy the same space but not the third. Therefore, the car stays out...

I provided this documentation in the rare case that the vehicle in question belongs to SWMBO...this scientific discussion/explanation should have her turn her back on you and walk away shaking her head...mission accomplished...

 

[woodknots]

@Nickp - Nick I like your way of thinking, but that's a long explanation that is unnecessary and "may" lead to further discussion. Usually, when SWMBO asks me why I've done something, my normal response is "cuz".

BTW - I sold my encyclopedias long time ago, cause I'm married to a know-it-all.

 

[Cherryville Chuck]

Just recently I was working on cupboard doors and had both router tables going and another bit in a handheld. That doesn't happen often but you'll be glad you have that second table when it does. Very nice score and congratulations on the retirement.

 

[Tonto1]

You paid way too much for a used set-up. Just to make you feel better, you can sell them to me for $25 & free shipping. Then you will be redeemed by the woodworking gods! :grin:

 

[Nickp]

Quenten...a man after my own heart...and obviously Jim's :surprise:

 

[DesertRatTom]

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Count me in the keep-it crowd. One thing you'll always need to do is roundovers, and with a second table, you can keep it set up. Also, routers on the saw are not the most convenient way to use them. Many of us go from saw to router, and if you're in the garage, you'll likely be using some of that space for assembly. In which case, clearing everything off to use the router is a serious PITA.

Here's a fine woodworking article on shop layout that had some decent info. Shop Layout - FineWoodworking


Space in 1 car space is a little tricky, but with a long table like that, I'd surely look at setting it lengthwise, 90 to the door. What you need is anough room in front and behind the saw to cut normal size pieces. That means about 9 feet before and behind the center of the blade. So you can set the saw parallel to the parked car and just leave the space open. Some folks put their saws on wheels and roll it out of the way, but I prefer to leave it be and move smaller tools where alignment is less of an issue.

Finally, I won't ask for leftover tools, but I've been around here long enough so I've already indulged myself in all the tools I need, plus a number of no-longer-used machines, jigs and "stuff." I tried to semi retire from my business last year, but it didn't take. LOL

 

[JOAT]

I don't like lifts, prefer a removable router plate, but believe me, if I could manage it, I would have at least one more router table, preferably two. And if my shop were larger, probably four.