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Adhering veneer to birch ply

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#1 ·
Hello all,

I'll be starting a kitchen build at my home in the next few weeks. All of the boxes will be birch ply. In places where cabinet boxes are exposed, I plan to apply vertical grain douglas fir veneer to match the face frames and counter.

Veneers are "Wood Veneer Sheet - 4' x 8' - 2-Ply Wood on Wood" from Woodcraft (links not allowed for my 1st post).

Two related questions.

The plywood I bought for the project is uv cured pre-finished birch ply. Should I sand off the finish for panels accepting veneers?

What product should I use to adhere veneerrs? I suppose some form of contact cement is the way to go. Of course I want the bond to be permanent. I don't have access to a vacuum press.

Thanks,
Phillip (at work)
 
#4 ·
In the past is the key word. I taught furniture design to college kids for 4+ decades and have now retired. There was an era in the middle of that when we benefitted from free donations of paper backed veneer for our students projects. Flexwood was the brand name. Not once that I recall did the projects require veneering over pre-finish plywood. A google search for "contact cement" finds far more brands selling it than were available those days. I suspect any would work over unfinish plywood or other sheet goods. Weldwood is a good brand to start with. Even Elmers makes some. I've only used contact cement on two of my personal projects. Both with laminate rather than veneer.
 
#6 ·
Hi Phillip and welcome to the fun. The key thing to me about attaching anything with contact glue is that you have to be very careful not to trap air in it. That, however, applies to pretty flexile laminate. For something thicker, contact cement is still a good choice, however the instant the glued edge of the multi layer (stiff) veneer touches the side wall, there will be no positioning it after, so in that case CA glue may be a better choice because you can position it for a few minutes after gluing. But then you really have to make sure you have some sort of pressure against the veneer's face to have it stay flat.
 
#11 ·
Check the technical data sheet at the plywood manufacturer’s website (or contact them) concerning the finish as adhesives may fail over time depending on the formulation in the finish that is on the prefinished plywood.

I did a set of kitchen cabinets using prefinished maple plywood except for where the cabinet boxes would be exposed. I used unfinished maple plywood for those cabinet sides. I cut those components oversized and clear coated the interior surfaces. Then cut to final size and milled dados, etc. and assembled.

For the plywood product I used (I don’t recall the manufacturer’s name) they recommended the entire finish be sanded off before using any adhesive on it so it was just easier to use unfinished ply in those locations.
 
#12 ·
What product should I use to adhere veneerrs? I suppose some form of contact cement is the way to go. Of course I want the bond to be permanent. I don't have access to a vacuum press.
I have about 30 years of experience in a cabinet shop doing this.
1) Sand off the finish, or at least rough it up thoroughly with something like a 60 grit sanding disk.
2) Without a vacuum press, contact cement is the usual method used. Ideally, you'd want to be able to spray it on, as spraying gives a thicker buildup of adhesive, for a better bond.
If you have to roll it on, I'd recommend at least 2 or 3 coats. Apply each coat, and allow to dry to the touch before re-coating, at least 20-30 minutes.
After the final coat, again, allow to dry to the touch. The drier it feels, the better the bond will be.
3) After applying the veneer, press it thoroughly with a small block of wood, approx. 12-15" long, and 3/4" x 1-1/2". Round all the corners of one end with a 1/8" radius. Use two hand to apply a lot of pressure with the end of the wood, making sure to cover every square inch.

Dry contact cement, and extreme pressure with the wood block are the keys to a permanent bond.