Best Shop Safety Practices

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woodknots

Discussion Starter · May 9, 2018 (Edited)

I follow Router Forums on Facebook (not here to discuss the pros and cons of Facebook, so don't even go there).

Saw a post today in reference to an article regarding "best shop safety practices. Appears the individual the picture is using a jointer - she's wearing safety glasses, ear muffs and gloves - great. But........

Her hair is hanging down and she's not using push blocks. In fact, looks like she's got a finger and a thumb hanging over the edge of the board. Surely at some point she's going to missing a couple of digits when she makes contact with the cutters.

You would think that if you're going to post an article on "shop safety", the least you could do is a little homework before including such an egregious picture.

Don't the folks that come up with these articles and photos pay any attention to what's actually going on, or have they never been around sharp spinny things?

Geez

Edit: meant to include a link to the article on Router Forums: http://www.routerforums.com/articles/best-shop-safety-practices/

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Shop guy

· #2 · May 9, 2018

People like that scare the hell out of me. I stopped by this morning to see an acquaintance. He was putting a bit in a DW 611. I ask him what he was working on and he showed me a small board about 4x6x1/4 inch thick that was going to route the edge of. I without thinking said it would be easier and safer in his router table. He agreed I was likely right and put the bit in the table. Then he took the little board and started a climb cut on one side. Then he started to do the same on the first end grain and I said I had to get going as I needed to get home. He is not what I would call a rank beginner but he to sometimes scares me.

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Stick486

· #3 · May 9, 2018

somebody didn't/can't read for context... (happens here a lot)...
the woman is the focal point and that is all that was seen..

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RainMan 2.0

· #4 · May 9, 2018

What’s a woman doing in a shop anyways , especially when there’s cooking and cleaning to be done ? :grin:

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DaninVan

· #5 · May 9, 2018

Oooooo....
And that would explain somebody's active dating schedule.

On the issue at 'hand'; I'd veto the gloves as well. Maybe tight fitting Nitrile, but that's it.
Getting back to Rick's POV; somebody has to clean the shop...*runs for cover*

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RainMan 2.0

· #6 · May 9, 2018

DaninVan said:
Oooooo....
And that would explain somebody's active dating schedule.
On the issue at 'hand'; I'd veto the gloves as well. Maybe tight fitting Nitrile, but that's it.
Getting back to Rick's POV; somebody has to clean the shop...*runs for cover*

Yes, it’s hard to believe I’m still single :grin:

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Stick486

· #7 · May 9, 2018

RainMan 2.0 said:
What’s a woman doing in a shop anyways , especially when there’s cooking and cleaning to be done ? :grin:

DaninVan said:
Oooooo....
And that would explain somebody's active dating schedule.
On the issue at 'hand'; I'd veto the gloves as well. Maybe tight fitting Nitrile, but that's it.
Getting back to Rick's POV; somebody has to clean the shop...*runs for cover*

I know Rick is serious and you Dan are joking...
but just the same....
where do you two want the flowers sent and when can we come get your tools you won't be needing any longer...

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old55

· #8 · May 10, 2018

Stick is right you two you’re on a dangerous path.

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DesertRatTom

· #9 · May 10, 2018

In case anyone doubts the power wielded by women, note how often members here talk about getting their spouse's support for new tool necessities. They live longer and control the money in the end. Women also make most of the life altering decisions, and generally take better care of their health and money. The stats don't generally favor men. My wife and I celebrate our 20th anniversary today. Started late, finishing strong.

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JOAT

· #10 · May 10, 2018

vchiarelli said:
You would think that if you're going to post an article on "shop safety", the least you could do is a little homework before including such an egregious picture.

Don't the folks that come up with these articles and photos pay any attention to what's actually going on, or have they never been around sharp spinny things?

I honestly think that some of those types watch 2 or 3 youtube videos, and think they know everything they need to know. One of the problems is, the videos might have been made by idiots. I don't know everything about woodworking, but one of my top rules is, keep away from the whirly parts. I would have been using push sticks. I also do not stand in line with my saw blade, often use a foot switch with my power tools - if something goes bad it is a lot faster to take my foot off the switch than it is to find the off switch and push it. There is more, but this is enough for now.

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reuelt

· #11 · May 10, 2018 (Edited)

Perhaps starter of this thread is TOTALLLY wrong

Let's get the facts right first..
1. She was JUST using the jointer (with blades down) as an "infeed table" to her router table.
2. The router bit in a router table cannot get her hair.
3. Her gloves are for friction and protection against wood spinsters ONLY.

Why would people assume that she was using a JOINTER when the subject is ROUTER SAFETY and not JOINTER (joiner) safety?

(e.g. I often use my tablesaw with blade totally down and guard off as infeed table to my Planer Thicknesser. That's why all my machines are at the same level)

DaninVan

· #12 · May 10, 2018

Well no, Reuel, the topic was "Best Shop Safety Practices".
Pretty sure Vince didn't mention routers. He actually referred to the jointer she was using.
http://www.routerforums.com/shop-safety/133666-best-shop-safety-practices.html#post1922466

reuelt

· #13 · May 10, 2018 (Edited)

He did mentioned Routers

DaninVan said:
Well no, Reuel, the topic was "Best Shop Safety Practices".
Pretty sure Vince didn't mention routers. He actually referred to the jointer she was using.
http://www.routerforums.com/shop-safety/133666-best-shop-safety-practices.html#post1922466

I can READ:-
"Routers are another piece of equipment that have their own safety rules. Unfortunately, not all of these rules are as obvious or well known as our table saw example above. If you’ve never stopped to think about staying safe specifically while using a router,....."

DaninVan

· #14 · May 10, 2018

I'm not going down the 'He said ...He said path'; I'm merely pointing out that your comments are perhaps a tad aggressive, and not really in the spirit of respecting other members, and their opinions.
Just my take on the comments.

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reuelt

· #15 · May 10, 2018

I apologise and beg your understanding.

DaninVan said:
I'm not going down the 'He said ...He said path'; I'm merely pointing out that your comments are perhaps a tad aggressive, and not really in the spirit of respecting other members, and their opinions.
Just my take on the comments.

I am sorry if I hurt your feelings or anyone else's feelings.
I have not login to Router Forum for more than 15 years until I found on Google last week that there is a thread started 9 years ago 8th May 2009 called "Looking for Reuel'. Someone wanted me to help.

I am only here to help if I can and I sense that some people may think that I am trying to take over their domain and try to shut me up and so I can get aggressive.

Reason I stayed away was because someone then called me a troll just because I was arguing that IMHO the Imperial system is superior to the metric system for WOODWORKING.

woodknots

Discussion Starter · #16 · May 10, 2018

reuelt said:
Let's get the facts right first..
1. She was JUST using the jointer (with blades down) as an "infeed table" to her router table.
2. The router bit in a router table cannot get her hair.
3. Her gloves are for friction and protection against wood spinsters ONLY.

Why would people assume that she was using a JOINTER when the subject is ROUTER SAFETY and not JOINTER (joiner) safety?

(e.g. I often use my tablesaw with blade totally down and guard off as infeed table to my Planer Thicknesser. That's why all my machines are at the same level)

1. First, the equipment she is using looks like a jointer - why do you assume she's using it as an "infeed table to her router table". There is no evidence of that
2. A router bit cannot get her hair - seriously??? Try hanging some shredded material next to a spinning bit and see what happens.
3. Her gloves are for friction and protection against splinters only? I agree they are for friction, but, they are loose. Never have any loose clothing when using power tools with spinning blades/bits.

The topic of the article is "Best Shop Safety Practices" not restricted to routers.

And per your example given, I'm sure a lot of people use other equipment as an infeed table, but that's got nothing to do with the article.

reuelt said:
I can READ:-
"Routers are another piece of equipment that have their own safety rules. Unfortunately, not all of these rules are as obvious or well known as our table saw example above. If you’ve never stopped to think about staying safe specifically while using a router,....."

The portion of the article that you quoted refers to the first paragraph above it. They discussed safety issues around a table saw, and then continues to discuss safety issues around routers, but has nothing to do with the picture they posted.

reuelt said:
I am sorry if I hurt your feelings or anyone else's feelings.
I have not login to Router Forum for more than 15 years until I found on Google last week that there is a thread started 9 years ago 8th May 2009 called "Looking for Reuel'. Someone wanted me to help.

I am only here to help if I can and I sense that some people may think that I am trying to take over their domain and try to shut me up and so I can get aggressive.

Reason I stayed away was because someone then called me a troll just because I was arguing that IMHO the Imperial system is superior to the metric system for WOODWORKING.

You didn't hurt my feelings, but I cannot speak for others and I don't believe that anyone thinks you are trying to take over a domain or that anyone is trying to "shut you up". If you feel that way, then that explains your aggressive attitude. You offer your opinion as do others, but that doesn't make anyone right or wrong. People can disagree with other's opinions, but for the most part, and I've been here for about 6 years, I've noticed that regardless of a difference of opinion, most members of this forum are at the very least, respectful of others. This forum is generally a very friendly place - some of the members have become friends with others and have spoken personally or by phone. New members come and go, but there are a lot of folks here that have been here for a long time. The reason for that is that they are willing to help others, to offer their knowledge and experience, they are respected, and they respect others. Respect is the key.

I cannot speak to you're being called a troll as I wasn't on the forum then, and I'm not going to argue the virtues of the Imperial system versus the metric system as I think that comes with what an individual is comfortable with. And I'm not suggesting that you take another 15 year hiatus, as it appears you have the ability and willingness to help, but if you are going to stick around, and post responses, my suggestion is that you do so in a more friendly, respectful manner.

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Tagwatts

· #17 · May 10, 2018

Rain Man,

What’s a woman doing in a shop anyways , especially when there’s cooking and cleaning to be done ? I realize this probably is not meant to be taken seriously. However, with that said, I do not believe this type of a comment should ever be aloud to pass and go out to the rest of the world. This Forum has a very high rating among the Woodworking community. These kind of remarks have no place on the Forum. That is a personal opinion. I think whoever monitors these comments is failing in there responsibility to monitor. I know this may be controversial on my part. I do not mean to demean or insult anyone. I truly believe there is no place for this on public forums or where many people read to enhance and learn.

JOAT

· #18 · May 10, 2018

Tagwatts said:
Rain Man,

What’s a woman doing in a shop anyways , especially when there’s cooking and cleaning to be done ? I realize this probably is not meant to be taken seriously. However, with that said, I do not believe this type of a comment should ever be aloud to pass and go out to the rest of the world. This Forum has a very high rating among the Woodworking community. These kind of remarks have no place on the Forum. That is a personal opinion. I think whoever monitors these comments is failing in there responsibility to monitor. I know this may be controversial on my part. I do not mean to demean or insult anyone. I truly believe there is no place for this on public forums or where many people read to enhance and learn.

It is allowed, not aloud. I would be very interested in reading what one, or more, of the women on this forum has to say on this. I thought it was funny, and in no way sincere. And I think the monitors here are doing a pretty darn good job, certainly a lot better than I have seen on a bunch of other forums, I don't really see a need for them to step in on such a minor thing. But that's me.

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Bushwhacker

· #19 · May 10, 2018

RainMan 2.0 said:
What’s a woman doing in a shop anyways , especially when there’s cooking and cleaning to be done ? :grin:

Yup, that's my man . You go Rick.

David

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Bushwhacker

· #20 · May 10, 2018

DesertRatTom said:
In case anyone doubts the power wielded by women, note how often members here talk about getting their spouse's support for new tool necessities. They live longer and control the money in the end. Women also make most of the life altering decisions, and generally take better care of their health and money. The stats don't generally favor men. My wife and I celebrate our 20th anniversary today. Started late, finishing strong.

Happy Anniversary Tom.

David

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