Well guys I'm definetly sold with the Bosch router. I bought one from ebay for a really good price. It is a Bosch 1617vs with a fixed base. Got it to decate it to my bigger router table. And I must have to admit that after being a porter cable person for the past 4 years that the bosch has it beat. I know there is a horse power difference but from aside from this the Bosch with the soft start and seemed like I turned on a hybrid tablesaw the noise from this router was a whole lot less then the Porter cable 690 it didnt bog down as much as Porter cable router. I like the wrench system better and the height adjustment to be a whole lot easier then the porter cable. I do have both models in the table. The bigger table uses the bosch and the Pc is used in my smaller table. So after using it today I'm sold onto it. So that brings my count of routers to 3 plunge routers and 3 fixed base. Boy come to think of it I feel like a golfer now do I use the three iron or the wood .