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It was my vast INexperience and my pure genious stupidity, the bit was down way to far. Incidently if anyone else is new and has watched and learned a lot and been told to put the bit all the way to the bottom and raise it up 1/16th or 1/8th that is not always the case, some bits have a recessed shoulder that does not go into the collet. Such as the grey area on the one below.
 

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