Bull nose help please!!
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Hey TAlly
Yep, routers and knots are not compatible!!
If you hear of a guy being arrested on a island beach for indecent exposure while only wearing a thong, you will know it was me because I was suppose to be packing but snuck down into the workshop for some " lure " making.
I had great success starting out using a piece of spruce and I was quite pleased with my efforts for the little time invested.
I then moved on to cedar and after routing the first side I figured this was going to be a piece of cake. NOT SO!!!! Cutting the back side was a total disaster, as large chunks tore off. :'(
My third attempt produced better results, but even though I took more care, I still ended up with tearout at the humps as you had reported earlier.
As I didn't have a lot of time to make my jig and the lack of a bull nose router bit, I made some alterations to the fixture and used a 1/4" radius round over bit ( similar to what Tom used ) with a 3/4" guide bushing.
The fixture is slightly wider, ( the profile is similar to your first rout ) and instead of knobs I used a t-nuts and stove bolts through the fixture, thus allowing me to rout using both sides of the fixture as the sled and template. It worked real well and I had no problem hanging on. I will post pictures tomorrow some time.
I have a few comments and possible solutions to our dilemma, as even using the round over bit, I found that when running parallel to the grain, tear out was inevitable.
Here are some suggestions that are worthy of a trial run are:
- Try using the round over bit as it doesn't grab as much
- Use wider stock ( only if using a round over bit )
- Cut stock off a wider board ( 1 x 6 ) at an angle so that the grain doesn't run parallel to the template.
- Cut stock out of thicker dimensional cedar and rip opposite direction. If this is not possible I would look at laminating thinner material and then rip opposite. This would put the grain of the stock material vertically rather than horizontally through the " lure ".
I will post pics and if I get some more time, I'll see if I can get packed and sneek downsatairs for some more lure time.
Hope this helps.
Ric
Yep, routers and knots are not compatible!!
If you hear of a guy being arrested on a island beach for indecent exposure while only wearing a thong, you will know it was me because I was suppose to be packing but snuck down into the workshop for some " lure " making.
I had great success starting out using a piece of spruce and I was quite pleased with my efforts for the little time invested.
I then moved on to cedar and after routing the first side I figured this was going to be a piece of cake. NOT SO!!!! Cutting the back side was a total disaster, as large chunks tore off.
:'( My third attempt produced better results, but even though I took more care, I still ended up with tearout at the humps as you had reported earlier.
As I didn't have a lot of time to make my jig and the lack of a bull nose router bit, I made some alterations to the fixture and used a 1/4" radius round over bit ( similar to what Tom used ) with a 3/4" guide bushing.
The fixture is slightly wider, ( the profile is similar to your first rout ) and instead of knobs I used a t-nuts and stove bolts through the fixture, thus allowing me to rout using both sides of the fixture as the sled and template. It worked real well and I had no problem hanging on. I will post pictures tomorrow some time.
I have a few comments and possible solutions to our dilemma, as even using the round over bit, I found that when running parallel to the grain, tear out was inevitable.
Here are some suggestions that are worthy of a trial run are:
- Try using the round over bit as it doesn't grab as much
- Use wider stock ( only if using a round over bit )
- Cut stock off a wider board ( 1 x 6 ) at an angle so that the grain doesn't run parallel to the template.
- Cut stock out of thicker dimensional cedar and rip opposite direction. If this is not possible I would look at laminating thinner material and then rip opposite. This would put the grain of the stock material vertically rather than horizontally through the " lure ".
I will post pics and if I get some more time, I'll see if I can get packed and sneek downsatairs for some more lure time.
Hope this helps.
Ric
Ok guys Here are the pics as promised!!!
There is a thunderstorm brewing upstairs so I will make this short as I have been told that this is not important and to start packing.
I snuck down to the workshop and did one more trial run and had much better success now knowing where the problems are. Here are the pictures and short explanations
1st Pic -The setup
1/4" round over bit with 1" OD brass guide bushing
2nd Pic - Fixture parts & assembly
used t-nuts & stove bolts in lieu of knob and screwed fixture together at hinge end, 1/8" spacer, top & bottom sleds with stops
3rd Pic - Assembled fixture
assembled fixture (bottom view) with 1/8" spacer, stock cedar material
4th Pic - Assembled fixture
assembled fixture (top view) with 1/8" spacer, stock cedar material. Notice pencil line for centering
5th Pic - Finished Rout
Fixture with finished rout of lure. Small chips still evident at these locations only from 2nd cut. Can be sanded out.
6th Pic - Finished results
after 4 attempts these are the results
Keys to the improved finish:
- For the 2 nd cut I increased the spacer to 3/8" as I didn't have any more cedar to play with and needed to see what would happen if I could use a wider piece to start with.
- Before routing across the fixture, I started to lightly nibble at the humps, without forcing the wood into the router. Also worked backwards as I nibbled away which eliminated large tearouts. Once the humps were relatively complete, I then started at the noses and continued across the fixture. Seemed to work real well and I am sure that with a little more time and effort, I could get much better at it.
I still believe that changing the direction of the grain would be much more beneficial and produce better results, and suggest you give serious consideration to this point.
If I get some time later today, I'll review this post to see if I can add anything that I may missed.
Ric
There is a thunderstorm brewing upstairs so I will make this short as I have been told that this is not important and to start packing.
I snuck down to the workshop and did one more trial run and had much better success now knowing where the problems are. Here are the pictures and short explanations
1st Pic -The setup
1/4" round over bit with 1" OD brass guide bushing
2nd Pic - Fixture parts & assembly
used t-nuts & stove bolts in lieu of knob and screwed fixture together at hinge end, 1/8" spacer, top & bottom sleds with stops
3rd Pic - Assembled fixture
assembled fixture (bottom view) with 1/8" spacer, stock cedar material
4th Pic - Assembled fixture
assembled fixture (top view) with 1/8" spacer, stock cedar material. Notice pencil line for centering
5th Pic - Finished Rout
Fixture with finished rout of lure. Small chips still evident at these locations only from 2nd cut. Can be sanded out.
6th Pic - Finished results
after 4 attempts these are the results
Keys to the improved finish:
- For the 2 nd cut I increased the spacer to 3/8" as I didn't have any more cedar to play with and needed to see what would happen if I could use a wider piece to start with.
- Before routing across the fixture, I started to lightly nibble at the humps, without forcing the wood into the router. Also worked backwards as I nibbled away which eliminated large tearouts. Once the humps were relatively complete, I then started at the noses and continued across the fixture. Seemed to work real well and I am sure that with a little more time and effort, I could get much better at it.
I still believe that changing the direction of the grain would be much more beneficial and produce better results, and suggest you give serious consideration to this point.
If I get some time later today, I'll review this post to see if I can add anything that I may missed.
Ric
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Excellent Ric. I know moma does not think this is important stuff, but I am not going on a 2 week R&R in the sun so it is pretty important to me....ha! ha!
You all have been great help to me and hopefully this weekend I will get to play with a different template idea also. These pictures you posted have helped me out even more. You all keep this up and you will be making custom lure before you know it!
Tally........have a good trip
You all have been great help to me and hopefully this weekend I will get to play with a different template idea also. These pictures you posted have helped me out even more. You all keep this up and you will be making custom lure before you know it!
Tally........have a good trip
Just wanted to drop in and give you guys a BIG THANKS for helping me with my project. I have since made a few more modifications to the jig and now have it dialed in. This is a great group of guys/gals who do exactly what the forum was designed for, and that is to share your knowlegde and helpful ideas. I tip my hat to you all and the forum mods. If I ever need any router help in the future.....I now know where to go. The pleasure was all mine.
Tally
Tally
Hi all.... it has been a while since I have dropped in. Some of you have asked to see some final product after had them ready. So I will attach them to look at.
I could not have done this without the help of this forum and I want to thank all of you. With all or your help and then a little creativity on my part, there is now four jigs ready for use. All of them create a different lure. There has been modification after modification and now they are dead on the money. I can not seem to get away from "some" chatter but it is easily sanded out.
In the photo there are 18 cranks. The 6 middle ones are the ones made with a router.......
Again, thanks to all of you!!!!
Tally
I could not have done this without the help of this forum and I want to thank all of you. With all or your help and then a little creativity on my part, there is now four jigs ready for use. All of them create a different lure. There has been modification after modification and now they are dead on the money. I can not seem to get away from "some" chatter but it is easily sanded out.
In the photo there are 18 cranks. The 6 middle ones are the ones made with a router.......
Again, thanks to all of you!!!!
Tally
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Hey Tally,
Those look pretty darn GOOD!! Any fish should be happy to take a bite of them!!
Just curious... do you have a band saw? If so, I can see where you could setup and mark a long string of them, cut the sides close to the lines, take to router & use pattern bit to clean up, roundover/bull nose the sides, on bandsaw cut off pairs at noses, setup bs jig for slits & cut slits... tidy sanding... cut each pair in half... etc...
Where do you sell those lures? How much do they run?
You're doing a great job! Thank you for showing the finished products...
Those look pretty darn GOOD!! Any fish should be happy to take a bite of them!!
Just curious... do you have a band saw? If so, I can see where you could setup and mark a long string of them, cut the sides close to the lines, take to router & use pattern bit to clean up, roundover/bull nose the sides, on bandsaw cut off pairs at noses, setup bs jig for slits & cut slits... tidy sanding... cut each pair in half... etc...
Where do you sell those lures? How much do they run?
You're doing a great job! Thank you for showing the finished products...
Hi Tally
I have seen the snapshots b/4 BUT I'm total amazed every time I see them
And it's amazing you made them with a router, it's such a great job I need to say something every time I see them, but they are great and you did a great job painting them as well.
It just goes to show many router users and me you can make almost anything with the right jig and the right bit(s)...
If you have anymore snapshots I would like to see them and I'm sure the others would also.
Router art, is a art and you have the gift.
Bj
I have seen the snapshots b/4 BUT I'm total amazed every time I see them
And it's amazing you made them with a router, it's such a great job I need to say something every time I see them, but they are great and you did a great job painting them as well.
It just goes to show many router users and me you can make almost anything with the right jig and the right bit(s)...
If you have anymore snapshots I would like to see them and I'm sure the others would also.
Router art, is a art and you have the gift.
Bj
Thank you for the complimentsJoe Lyddon said:Hey Tally,
Those look pretty darn GOOD!! Any fish should be happy to take a bite of them!!
Thank you.... the baits in that picture are the hands of a few guys who fish alot and are also custom lure builders, who are testing the baits to make sure that all is ok.
Just curious... do you have a band saw? If so, I can see where you could setup and mark a long string of them, cut the sides close to the lines, take to router & use pattern bit to clean up, roundover/bull nose the sides, on bandsaw cut off pairs at noses, setup bs jig for slits & cut slits... tidy sanding... cut each pair in half... etc...
Yes, I have a band saw...not sure I am following you on the rest.....would you care to explain what you mean about the sides??
Where do you sell those lures? How much do they run?
All of my lures are sold directly by me as this is just a hobby that I really enjoy. The routed baits (6 in the middle) are $10.00-$12.00 depending on what paint schemes they receive. The other baits in that picture are my plastic poured baits that are molded. The original bait was produced for me by a friend who resides in Malaysia and is an excelent would carver. Those are $15.00 each. Each and every bait is hand tuned by me and water tested to make sure that the baits do exactly what they are designed to do. I assure you, you can't buy these baits in any store.....You're doing a great job! Thank you for showing the finished products...
Tally
Thanks again for the help and nice compliments......this forum took a guy who knew very little about routing and turned me into a routing machinebobj3 said:Hi Tally
I have seen the snapshots b/4 BUT I'm total amazed every time I see them
And it's amazing you made them with a router, it's such a great job I need to say something every time I see them, but they are great and you did a great job painting them as well.
Thank you.... and yes it was done with a router. This forum really got me over the top in figuring this out with all the help I received. There were many mornings where I was so stumped that I sat there just looking at this with a cup of coffee and never doing anything. I have so many trials and errors on this project but it finally all came togetherIt just goes to show many router users and me you can make almost anything with the right jig and the right bit(s)...If you have anymore snapshots I would like to see them and I'm sure the others would also.
Router art, is a art and you have the gift.
Bj
Tally
Hi Tally
Congratulations on your fine workmanship and craftmanship!!! Excellent work!!!
I am impressed and envious with what you have accomplished and proud to have had a bit part in your success.
You mention in your posts, of " changes and modifcations " and a " little creativity " allowed you to come up with the finished product.
For those of us who have been following the progress of your project, please let us know the modifactions and creativity changes you made and what the finished jig/fixture ended up with!!! Pictures would be great!!!!
Again, I commend your work and suggest that you post your handywork in the current contest running on this forum, because it takes routering to a different level from the norm and it is in a class of its own.
I am sure others here, would agree.
Ric
Congratulations on your fine workmanship and craftmanship!!! Excellent work!!!
I am impressed and envious with what you have accomplished and proud to have had a bit part in your success.
You mention in your posts, of " changes and modifcations " and a " little creativity " allowed you to come up with the finished product.
For those of us who have been following the progress of your project, please let us know the modifactions and creativity changes you made and what the finished jig/fixture ended up with!!! Pictures would be great!!!!
Again, I commend your work and suggest that you post your handywork in the current contest running on this forum, because it takes routering to a different level from the norm and it is in a class of its own.
I am sure others here, would agree.
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