Gary, they are a #2 Driver Bit. I've used them at work for 27 years and almost all round off fairly easily. I always thought some of it was me not having the bit in and in line. With that aside in the last 6 months have started using a solid black bit. They are noticeably better and more durable.They are not Milwaukee, or Bosch. I don't know their name but will get it for you.