[Stick486]

welcome back Chuck...
here's some material to study on...
every question you have and more will be answered..
there is a lot more if you need it...

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[Stick486]

But to get to my point, I want to install a dust collector system. This is all very new to me and I'm not sure what I'm planning will work properly. I read the previous posts on this on Routerforums as well as watched a number of videos on YT. See my sketch below. I believe it's fairly typical for the most part. My plan is to use a Harbor-Freight DC along with a Dust Deputy. I also plan on upgrading the DC with a Wynn filter. One of my concerns is the use of 2-1/2" flex hose.

Any comments, either design or installation, will be greatly appreciated.

I still contend that the HF unit is a poor value/investment inadequate money pit when compared to so many better more reliable ready to use units that need nothing...

you can upgrade to 6'' units w/canister and separator included for all that not much more money than a HF reworked unit...

http://www.grizzly.com/dust-collectors
http://www.rockler.com/dust-collection/dust-collectors\

https://www.routerforums.com/tools-woodworking/137893-dc-unit-sale-cheap.html
https://www.routerforums.com/new-member-introductions/138431-intro-newb-question.html#post2014547

 

[Stick486]

Stick, I checked out the links for the DC's and they are less expensive than I thought, but still somewhat outside of my budget. I'll just have to see what I can do. For my clarification though, are you saying the $396 1-1/2 hp Grizzly will perform better than the ~$200 2 hp Harbor Freight? Big price difference.

read about the issues w/ the HF machines, what it takes to keep them running, what has to be done to them and go from there......
search this forum... there are several threads on this DC...
I'm saying the base HF unit is a piece of junk and in the long run not a good investment at all... as in a waste of money... that makes it expensive at any price...
I think the people that were writing the ratings for sears tools are now writing for HF...
Impeller and motor failures are a common occurrence w/ them... so do you replace or repair..
Tom says to buy a 2nd unit for parts and add canisters....
do your tangible and intangible costs... not such a great deal w/ a replacement impeller at a 100 plus dollars and canister at over 200 dollars...
add separator to it too...
bag type DC's are not in the same realm as canister.. think of them as dust distributors...

the wallet thinkers always seem to come up w/ - ''all ya gotta do'' or ''it's the same but different'' yadda yadda yadda...
I like doing nothing to an item.. outta the box and into operation works for me...

Here's some VOE...

"There is hardly anything in this world that some man cannot make a little worse and sell a little cheaper, and those people who consider price only, are this man's lawful prey. It is unwise to pay too much, but it's worse to pay too little. When you pay too much you lose a little money - that is all. * When you pay too little, you sometimes lose everything, because the thing you bought was incapable of doing the thing it was bought to do.* * The common law of business balance prohibits paying a little and getting a lot; it cannot be done. If you deal with the lowest bidder, it is well to add something for the risk you run, and if you do that you will have enough to pay for something better"
John Ruskin (1819 - 1900)


I have a Jet 1200VX. Jet DC-650 and Oneida DC's... (15 and 25HP)
look into the Jet 650... nothing to add on to it..

 

[Stick486]

this is a single stage similar to the hf. I know you said that there's nothing to add on to it, but would the jet dc-650 benefit from the addition of a dust deputy. I ask this because i have read many comments regarding the huge benefit to the dc system by adding it as a second stage. I will be exhausting into the shop so i would like to minimize the amount of dust.

yes it will benefit...

 

[Stick486]

Note that the Jet unit at $400 has a cloth bag, so add the cost of a drum filter and you're up to $600, no shipping assuming you can get to a store, $80 shipping if you can't. The steel impeller is a nice feature and probably accounts for the increased CFPM. The fiber drum is about $70, the Super Dust Deputy is about $200 with connectors. Add shipping for the drum and SDD, maybe $50.

$ 400 Jet DC-650 No shipping, assuming pickup at store.
$ 200 Griz Drum filter
$ 70 Shipping
$ 70 Fiber drum 30gallon
$ 20 est. shipping
$ 200 5 inch Super Dust Deputy and connectors
$ 30 est. shipping
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$ 980 Total cost, plus tax if applicable
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why did you include the separator in the pricing for the DC-650???
and why price a Jet unit w/o canisters and upgrade it instead of a unit that already has a 1 micron canister filter...

w/o any serious shopping..

build your own deputy...
30 gallon trash can w/ lid - 25$
major extreme duty trash can... 35$
PVC or HVAC fittings.. 11~28$ depending on what you select...
no shipping... all local BB purchases...

not on sale DC-650 w/ canisters and cleaning paddles.... 550$ plus 60$ shipping...
https://www.rockler.com/jet-dust-collector-1hp-w-canister-filter

no shipping from Amazon..
https://www.amazon.com/DC-650CK-Col...ds=jet+dc-650&qid=1558471657&s=gateway&sr=8-3

HF.... (figures from Tom's posting)
1. impeller upgrade................100?
2. separator (parts)...............100?
3. WYNN filter.......................200?
4. shipping for all the parts....100?
5. price of HF unit.................200
6. 2nd HF unit......................200
7. estimated CFM.................?

why even bother upgrading when you can plug and play...

 

[Stick486]

Small point. At 110 v AC, I think the max hp you can generate is about 1.5 to 1.75, so the HF unit is pushing it a little to claim 2hp. Just don't seem to get around to installing the overarm DC accessory.

This is a really good string.

Electric Motor Wholesale

 

[Stick486]

Went to Rockler today and looked at the 650 Jet. Small, $350, cloth filter bag.

it's still leagues ahead of the HF...

 

[Stick486]

good luck w/ that...