hello Richard welcome to the forum.
I am sure that one of the electronic experts on here will be able help you.
I am sure that one of the electronic experts on here will be able help you.
Freud 2000E speed control
Hello all, my first post.
I have a Freud 2000E, great machine, little used until now. After some fairly hard use recently on my router table (say two periods of 30 mins continually - chamfering airing cupboard slats) I went back to it and it terrifyingly jumped to absolutely manic full speed, seemed considerably more than normal full speed -very glad I didn't have a wide bit on it.
In other words, there is no soft start and no speed regulation.
I could not find any posts that quite match this problem but I followed the posts about speed control generally, took out the speed reg stuff, cleaned the pot, checked the brushes, but no change.
I wonder slightly about the large blue capacitor over the switch, but not sure how to test this. All the other electronics bedded in that black stuff.
Can anyone help please? Such a superbly built router, I'd hate to see it go.
Thanks, Richard
I have a Freud 2000E, great machine, little used until now. After some fairly hard use recently on my router table (say two periods of 30 mins continually - chamfering airing cupboard slats) I went back to it and it terrifyingly jumped to absolutely manic full speed, seemed considerably more than normal full speed -very glad I didn't have a wide bit on it.
In other words, there is no soft start and no speed regulation.
I could not find any posts that quite match this problem but I followed the posts about speed control generally, took out the speed reg stuff, cleaned the pot, checked the brushes, but no change.
I wonder slightly about the large blue capacitor over the switch, but not sure how to test this. All the other electronics bedded in that black stuff.
Can anyone help please? Such a superbly built router, I'd hate to see it go.
Thanks, Richard
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The problem has surfaced before and is covered in past posts. I don't know how hard it would be to find them. I think one post suggested a source for a new module? I had a 2000 model Freud and because of it I will never own another Freud power tool. The armature went on mine and it was $10 cheaper than a new router. I think the cost of the electronics is similar.
Hi Richard. I have a Freud 2000E also that has a speed control issue. After looking at the cost of replacing the electronic module, I ended up buying a new Hitachi. I might still try the external/after market type speed control after removing the internal module when I'm up to working on it.
As Richard(the OP) stated this router will run over speed with out the internal controller. Kind of a dangerous situation. so I would not recommend an external speed control on this model router.
Also if I recall correctly(I don't always) the speed control and armature both have to be changed due to production changes. This may also depend on the date of manufacture.
I have heard very little good about Freud routers... like their bits and blades, but wouldn't waste money on repairing it myself. I was a repair technician for 35 years, so my first inclination is usually to repair. This one just isn't worth it!
Also if I recall correctly(I don't always) the speed control and armature both have to be changed due to production changes. This may also depend on the date of manufacture.
I have heard very little good about Freud routers... like their bits and blades, but wouldn't waste money on repairing it myself. I was a repair technician for 35 years, so my first inclination is usually to repair. This one just isn't worth it!
Duane, Thanks for that bit about runaway. I hadn't realized that was an issue. Guess it's the recycle/trash for mine.
Hi
Just a Note, I have 4 of the Freud routers and they all work great some guys are not lucky I guess
All you need to do is a by pass the built in one with the one below and you will be up and running in about 5 mins.
Router Speed Control
Not to sure about Richard ( Ireland ) he may have the 220 volt model but they also make one for that model..(AU / UK )(about $$$ 50.oo )
The one below is the big PC router but it's the same as the Freud router.
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Just a Note, I have 4 of the Freud routers and they all work great some guys are not lucky I guess
All you need to do is a by pass the built in one with the one below and you will be up and running in about 5 mins.
Router Speed Control
Not to sure about Richard ( Ireland ) he may have the 220 volt model but they also make one for that model..(AU / UK )(about $$$ 50.oo )
The one below is the big PC router but it's the same as the Freud router.
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Thanks so much for all the responses, I'll ponder. I think external speed control will be difficult for this soft start router. I hate to waste it, though. There's quite a bit of room under my router table, made from an old cast iron table saw top, so it may be possible to salvage the spindle and power it with an external motor....Any advice on what might actually be wrong in the electronics would be appreciated - I'll tackle anything more or less... still wondering about the big blue capacitor, though it shows no signs of external swelling or damage.
Thanks again, this is so much appreciated.
Richard
Thanks again, this is so much appreciated.
Richard
Hi
Once you use a external speed control the soft start is gone that's to say you will need to bypass it under the hood cap of the router..
You may want to check out the link below
http://www.routerforums.com/show-n-tell/25085-new-life-dead-router.html
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Once you use a external speed control the soft start is gone that's to say you will need to bypass it under the hood cap of the router..
You may want to check out the link below
http://www.routerforums.com/show-n-tell/25085-new-life-dead-router.html
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Thanks so much for all the responses, I'll ponder. I think external speed control will be difficult for this soft start router. I hate to waste it, though. There's quite a bit of room under my router table, made from an old cast iron table saw top, so it may be possible to salvage the spindle and power it with an external motor....Any advice on what might actually be wrong in the electronics would be appreciated - I'll tackle anything more or less... still wondering about the big blue capacitor, though it shows no signs of external swelling or damage.
Thanks again, this is so much appreciated.
Richard
That's what I did with mine Richard. If you check my uploads you'll see what I did with it. I didn't really do a good job because I wasn't sure it would work. Once I found out that it would I've been meaning to do a better job of it.There's quite a bit of room under my router table, made from an old cast iron table saw top, so it may be possible to salvage the spindle and power it with an external motor....
Richard
Success
Again I thank you all for your suggestions and help. I nearly went for using a large motor to power the Freud router spindle (thanks Cherryville). But then found a 2Kw 240v speed control module on Ebay - an auction - and I bid 99cent and got it, about three Euro including postage. Took nearly a month to arrive from Far East but it looked well built. Then I had no time to wire it in, but I did a couple of days ago. To my amazement and delight it works perfectly. I removed the old speed control module from the router, and very carefully wired the new one into a separate vented box. It has a nice sturdy Pot control knob and a very substantial finned heat sink for the triode. I also took the opportunity to earth the router, table etc., just in case the original double-insulation was compromised.
It seems act as if it were soft start - that's to say, it reaches full speed gradually. Not the terrifying manic beast of before.
Some slowing under load, but I have treated it carefully so far by simply turning up the speed a bit. Perfect results. Really perfect, no burning or scoring. And that's in soft pine.
What I haven't done is test it on large, say 6cm diameter cutters for raised panels etc. But I'll let you know when I have.
I can supply details of the speed control module, and how I wired it, if anyone is interested. You may not get it for 0.99c!
I know some of you maintained that Freud routers are not great, but I still think the machine hardware is beautifully engineered; solid and precise.
And now it is not let down by faulty electronics. Neither insoluble because of idiosyncratic armature windings.
Incidentally I did test the large blue capacitor I mentioned in a previous posting (now redundant), across the mains input inside the case. It seems fine, so the problem was elsewhere, buried in that black hard-waxy gunk. Whereas the new speed control module had all components solderable and accessible.
Best to you all. Internet Fora are great things!!!!!!! If only I could navigate them easily. But maybe practice will help.
Richard
Again I thank you all for your suggestions and help. I nearly went for using a large motor to power the Freud router spindle (thanks Cherryville). But then found a 2Kw 240v speed control module on Ebay - an auction - and I bid 99cent and got it, about three Euro including postage. Took nearly a month to arrive from Far East but it looked well built. Then I had no time to wire it in, but I did a couple of days ago. To my amazement and delight it works perfectly. I removed the old speed control module from the router, and very carefully wired the new one into a separate vented box. It has a nice sturdy Pot control knob and a very substantial finned heat sink for the triode. I also took the opportunity to earth the router, table etc., just in case the original double-insulation was compromised.
It seems act as if it were soft start - that's to say, it reaches full speed gradually. Not the terrifying manic beast of before.
Some slowing under load, but I have treated it carefully so far by simply turning up the speed a bit. Perfect results. Really perfect, no burning or scoring. And that's in soft pine.
What I haven't done is test it on large, say 6cm diameter cutters for raised panels etc. But I'll let you know when I have.
I can supply details of the speed control module, and how I wired it, if anyone is interested. You may not get it for 0.99c!
I know some of you maintained that Freud routers are not great, but I still think the machine hardware is beautifully engineered; solid and precise.
And now it is not let down by faulty electronics. Neither insoluble because of idiosyncratic armature windings.
Incidentally I did test the large blue capacitor I mentioned in a previous posting (now redundant), across the mains input inside the case. It seems fine, so the problem was elsewhere, buried in that black hard-waxy gunk. Whereas the new speed control module had all components solderable and accessible.
Best to you all. Internet Fora are great things!!!!!!! If only I could navigate them easily. But maybe practice will help.
Richard
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