He BROKETED It!

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OutoftheWoodwork

Discussion Starter · May 5, 2020

He did! He did! Ken broketed my drill press! (That's #2 drill press he's done now....)

The center doo dippy dobby is out and it won't go back in (The chuck and the spindle it's attached to.) Ken kinda goofed and tried to use one of those circle saw cutters, and part way into the cut, the whole dam chuck popped/dropped out. Now, I don't have the book on this, and I don't have the tool that you're supposed to use to remove this chuck, and it' just popped out. Now he can't get it back in, and I don't know where to get parts. I've been looking on line this morning, and using model number will only bring up garage journal forum.

Here's the picture of the label on the front; any ideas, guys? I need my drill press back to finish projects (and start a couple, too).

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difalkner

· #2 · May 5, 2020

Do you have a photo of the chuck, Barb? Is it a Morse taper? If so, just make sure everything is clean and tap it back into place. Run the chuck jaws up to where they're inside the body of the chuck and use a block of wood and mallet to tap it back in.

David

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RainMan 2.0

· #3 · May 5, 2020

I believe my drill presses chuck is pressure fit Barb . The part that went up was kind of a cone if I remember correctly

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difalkner

· #4 · May 5, 2020

That's a Morse taper, Rick.

David

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roxanne562001

· #5 · May 5, 2020

Maybe this will help Barb
https://www.woodworkersjournal.com/how-to-secure-a-drill-press-chuck/

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CharleyL

· #6 · May 5, 2020

The tapered parts have to be absolutely clean, both mating parts. Then you just press them together hard. I have just raised the table high, placed a piece of 2 X 4 on it and, with the chuck opened wide so you are pressing against the outer handle part of the chuck, just lower the spindle and press it down hard. After, move the table out of the way and swing a dead blow hammer upwards, hitting the chuck in an upward direction.

That should seat it, until the next time.

Morse tapers are great, if they are clean and seated tight. When they aren't clean they will not stay together.

If you should ever need to separate the taper to replace the chuck, or for some other reason, there is a slot just above the taper in the spindle. A tapered metal wedge driven into the slot will pop the taper apart. Be sure to have someone holding the chuck so it doesn't fall.

Charley

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DaninVan

· #7 · May 5, 2020

The info is on the metal label; MT #2 (Morse Taper)

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CharleyL

· #8 · May 5, 2020 (Edited)

#2 taper is quite common for drill presses, and some lathes.

I bought a Delta bench top drill press about 20 years ago and the taper fell apart on me several times, no matter how clean I got the tapered parts. Then I bought one of these.
After success, I loaned it to my #2 son and haven't seen it since. You don't need one, if you can get the inside taper clean and smooth enough. The outside taper on the drill chuck cleans easily. Even the slightest spec or burr will keep them from staying together. Use a mirror and light, if necessary, to inspect the inside taper. With both surfaces clean, you shouldn't need the following. You will need the cleaner to fit a #2 taper -

The inside taper cleaner -

https://www.woodturnerscatalog.com/p/90/3651/tapermate-Morse-Taper-Cleaner

The removal tool for Morse tapers is -

https://www.carbideanddiamondtoolin...es-1---4-Letter-Number-Sizes-ID-105-ID-16755-

Don't necessarily buy from these sources. These links are just intended to show what you need. Shop around for the best deal.

Charley

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OutoftheWoodwork

Discussion Starter · #9 · May 5, 2020 (Edited)

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difalkner said:
Do you have a photo of the chuck, Barb? Is it a Morse taper? If so, just make sure everything is clean and tap it back into place. Run the chuck jaws up to where they're inside the body of the chuck and use a block of wood and mallet to tap it back in.

David

David, this is what I have. Ken told me (after I already posted here) that he got the mechanism to go back in, but he's not sure if he got it in all the way. I can't tell, because none of my pictures of my drill press are close enough to tell where it sat before he broketed it.

Wish I could find the book to this thing somewhere.

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difalkner

· #10 · May 5, 2020

So are you saying that's as far as the chuck will go in the quill or that the quill has become disengaged with the gear and that's as high as it will go? In other words, are you unable to get the bottom red line up to where the top red line is? The chuck looks like it's fully seated, btw.

David

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OutoftheWoodwork

Discussion Starter · #11 · May 5, 2020

@difalkner I lowered the press to show everything. What Ken is worried about, is below your red line. See the black "ring"? Is that up far enough? it was that part that popped out.

ger21

· #12 · May 5, 2020

Raise the table, and put a block of wood on it. Crank the chuck down into the block with medium pressure. That should do it.

Circle cutters need to be run at 250rpm or less, or there's a good chance the chuck will fall off. I've had it happen more than once. You just push it back on, and continue.

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Cherryville Chuck

· #13 · May 6, 2020

I had one that kept wanting to fall out of a milling machine I have. I finally got it in so well that I couldn`t get it out again. A neighbor loaned me a can of spray that gets it very cold. I was finally able to separate it again.

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difalkner

· #14 · May 6, 2020

OutoftheWoodwork said:
@difalkner I lowered the press to show everything. What Ken is worried about, is below your red line. See the black "ring"? Is that up far enough? it was that part that popped out.

Did the chuck come off the shaft? Here's what the Morse and Jacobs tapers look like. The Morse taper goes inside the quill and the Jacobs taper goes inside the chuck.

Auto part Titanium Metal

David

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Herb Stoops

· #15 · May 6, 2020

Here is a video of what Charlie was saying about removing and reinstalling.
Herb

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Cherryville Chuck

· #16 · May 6, 2020

difalkner said:
Did the chuck come off the shaft? Here's what the Morse and Jacobs tapers look like. The Morse taper goes inside the quill and the Jacobs taper goes inside the chuck.

View attachment 386835

David

No it was chuck and adapter that came out of the quill. Come to think about it I had the chuck and adapter come out of my Delta 16.5" DP too once. I tried turning a rosette cutter, the type that takes different blades, at 3000 rpm thinking that the higher speed would do a better job. Turns out that the cutter holder isn't balanced well enough and the DP isn't solid and heavy enough to do that. The whole works came loose. Luckily neither I, the cutter, or the DP suffered any damage from it.

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woodworker47

· #17 · May 6, 2020

Barb,

I have a similar drill press. If you are talking about the chuck dropping out of the taper, mine does this only when I put my morticing attachment on the drill press. When using this attachment, the chuck drops out of the taper. I have never had it happen when drilling normally. I just clean and tap back as suggested by others.

Frank

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sreilly

· #18 · May 6, 2020

David,

I expect the picture has the chuck lowered as far as it can go to show the how the chuck is seated. I went through this when I was trying out the drill press mortise jig and it was less than fun. Mostly because of the uncertainty of the process. It's taken me a long time of breaking the habit of forcing things.......much less using a hammer to do anything more than driving nails. The idea of a hammer, screwdriver, and pliers can fix anything mentality took a very long time to die.

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neville9999

· #19 · May 6, 2020 (Edited)

difalkner said:
Do you have a photo of the chuck, Barb? Is it a Morse taper? If so, just make sure everything is clean and tap it back into place. Run the chuck jaws up to where they're inside the body of the chuck and use a block of wood and mallet to tap it back in.

David

Drill presses are all morse taper, clean it and tap it back up, its amazing how that taper hold it in.

A very nicely told story BTY, well presented with good suspense. N

Stick486

· #20 · May 6, 2020

neville9999 said:
Drill presses are all Morse taper, clean it and tap it back up, its amazing how that taper hold it in. N

and polish...

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