The M12 V was my table router for a number of years until I bought the 12v2, which has a larger base opening, above table adjustment, and is just plain smooth running. I liked those 2 so much I bought a 12VC fixed base which was on sale for $130 C. That's way below the price of a 1617 and it is a joy to use. Plus we've seen a few people looking for collets for older Bosch routers with no success. It eventually happens to every machine. Sooner for some than others. But for about 50 to 60% of what I would have paid for Bosch routers I picked up the ones I have. If they only last for 50 to 60% as long as a Bosch would then I'm pretty much still at least even with the game.