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Okay, I ordered my saw this morning... For you new here, it's a custom ordered Laguna TSS European sliding table saw (10"-12" main blade) with scoring and with loads of accessories and blades (with another dado set). Got a greet deal on the quote, plus a fair discount.

The lead time is 2-1/2 months for it to be shipped to my doorstep. Built, then shipped in a container, customs... etc. In those 2-1/2 months, I have to sell my Rockwell Shop saw and my Craftsman Electronic Radial Arm Saw. I also need to plumb in a dust extraction system.
 

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Holy Hanna! He's alive!!
We (I) thought you'd fallen into your dust collector and been recycled...
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Welcome back; it's been awhile.
 

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I look forward to seeing the photo's Mike. I am glad you got this on order after the long struggle.
 

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Great work there TATER HEAD! Next thing you know you'll have a robot doing half of the work. As mentioned over the weekend, I am glad to see you back here! Give Sharon another big hug for me.
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Better news (Maybe).

I got a voice mail saying the guy in front of me is not ready for "his" delivery. They have his saw in California now and I'm next in line. So they say they can deliver now. I need to call this morning to confirm. The rest of the order of the option they don't have in stock would be UPS'ed.

My first question should be about the motor. Normally it comes with a 3hp Baldor (1phase/240v). My order is with a 4.5hp Baldor (1 phase/240v). I guess if it doesn't, what... they ship me a 4.5hp motor and I keep the 3.0? I'm not sure what of the options they don't have in stock... They mentioned shipping the 24" telescoping crosscut fence and mobility kit later. The fence is okay later... but I was sort of depending on the mobility kit. 1000 pounds is sort of a challenge for "me" to try to move around.

Some of the options I ordered-

For the sliding table:
- Positive stop miter table
- Clip-on Extension table
- Extra miter slot locking clamp
- 24 inch telescoping crosscut fence

Scoring Motor
- Spilt scoring blades
- dado shim set, scoring

Main blade-
- dado shim set, main
- Laguna finish dado set
- Assorted Laguna blades, 10" and 12"
- Extra blade insert blanks.

Main saw
- mobility kit.
- rear extension table

I talked over most of these with you guys long ago. The positive locking miter table is something I saw necessary after seeing how the crosscut fence was designed, taliking with TSS owners, locking at a few Felder's and Altendorf's... and after many, many, many Skype conversations with Phil P. The standard crosscut fence is 48 with a 48" extension. I have another 24" extension for that. The pivot is near the cut line. The standard locking mechanism is about 10" (the saw is metric) from the pivot point... The positive locking miter table, besides making repeatable miters a no-brainer, changes the pivot point and also changes the locking point out to about 36", so supporting the fence better.

I already have some 10-20, 15-30 and 20-40 aluminum extrusion rip and crosscut accessory fences made up for this saw... (I planned ahead.) I have a plan for a different riving knife design... And a floating overhead crown with better dust collection.
 

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Mike--i don't know that saw, but for me it would boil down to 2 key factors...

1. Much would depend on the installation of the Mobility Kit. If it can be installed properly with the saw assembled and sitting on the floor--ship the saw now and mobility later. If we have to disassemble the saw and/or lift a half-ton ro retro-fit--send my saw when you have the mobility kit.

2. The motor--the available saw may have the 4.5 single phase, that would be great. The person who called may not have realized the motor difference...not so great. If it's the 3.0 for 4.5 swap after the fact will they let you keep the 3.0 (awesome!!) or pay the round-trip freight to send it back??

Nothing is as simple as it seems...ever!!

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On it's way. It should hit the local shipper one week from this coming Monday (May 27th).

What won't be there is the dado set, which will ship from Canada. The Angled rear extension table, the "24-inch extension" part of the 24" cross-cut fence (The accessory 24" and the 48" cross-cut fence is there) and the mobility kit... will be 2 months, in the container from Bulgaria.

I reminded him that the show season is coming up... I talked him into throwing in some T-shirts and Hats.

I'm feeling like a kid having to wait for Christmas morning!

I am wondering how I'm going to move this around without the mobility kit... without a pallet jack.
 

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Thank you for reminding me- I can borrow a diesel engine hoist which doesn't fold, would have to get it here on an equipment trailer (also borrowed from same) and would be free... From a guy I used to do diesel mechanics for.

A just got back from Tacoma, where I picked up a Crown 2.5 ton pallet jack. It was on Craig's List for $100. Problem solved. :wacko:

Now I have a week to reorganize the garage again... and sell my shop saw and the extra radial arm saw.
 

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Mike--i don't know that saw, but for me it would boil down to 2 key factors...

1. Much would depend on the installation of the Mobility Kit. If it can be installed properly with the saw assembled and sitting on the floor--ship the saw now and mobility later. If we have to disassemble the saw and/or lift a half-ton ro retro-fit--send my saw when you have the mobility kit.

2. The motor--the available saw may have the 4.5 single phase, that would be great. The person who called may not have realized the motor difference...not so great. If it's the 3.0 for 4.5 swap after the fact will they let you keep the 3.0 (awesome!!) or pay the round-trip freight to send it back??

Nothing is as simple as it seems...ever!!

earl
The install of the mobility kit would have been the same if next week or if in 2 months. The kit consists of wheels on the ends of levers. The levers mount to the outside right-rear and right-front via bolts that go into a pre-threaded hole. Those bolts act as a pivot for the lever. When not in use, the levers are pivoted up and locked with hitch pins. When in use, pull the pins, use the jacobs bar to pivot the levers down and lock it there with the hitch pins. There is an eye hitch that bolts into center of the left side. The other end of the jacob bar has two wheels and a hook that goes into that hitch... But I was going to use the mobility kit and a ramp to get the saw off the shipping pallet.

But then again, Phil gave me the idea from what he used to do... To use a pallet jack and set the saw on blocks or a pallet. Looking at the clearance under that saw and the narrow fork pallet jack I bought, I don't think I need to set that saw on anything to get that pallet jack under it. If anything, I may have to put blocks on top of the forks/under the saw if I go to move it.

Yes... I mentioned the motor to my rep. He's supposed to be checking. Not my fault if he rushes and it shows here with the wrong motor. And you know I'll use the saw until the right motor gets here... Yes, It weighs 1054 pounds without the scorer (heavy machined cast iron mechanism) and the separate scoring motor.

I have to assemble it and tune it in when it gets here. The scorer, rip fence system, crosscut fence system, sliding table, etc. come in separate shipping cartons. I've read the manual on it and nothing seems too out of the ordinary.

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1000 pounds is sort of a challenge for "me" to try to move around.
You're a sissy Mike - "you" find 1,000 lbs difficult to move? That's a job for your horse! If I were you, I think I would wait for your order to get ready. Too many "he said and she said" variables are involved in taking early delivery of someone else's order. I would wait on MY ORDER and not take-on all of the hopes and promises that they're making. If "he" was the last guy in line before you, then I think it would be safe to assume your order could be filled APPROPRIATELY very soon. In my experience, when you are sent parts (piece-meal); you get-into possible future warranty issues.

An old saying is: The BITTERNESS of poor quality lasts far longer than the SWEETNESS of a cheap price. I suggest DON'T SETTLE FOR LESS. 2 years, 4 months and 13 days from now, that early PARTIAL delivery won't have any value to you. Just my $0.02.

Otis Guillebeau from Auburn, Georgia
 

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1,000 lbs is not hard to move with a cherry picker..duck soup stuff..

You buy a cherry picker for 89.oo from HF I use one all the time I also have a wall mounted Elec.dead man in the shop just for that type of job..

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LOL! I'd find a way, but got tools setup to make it easier.

We'll find out soon. It hit's Tacoma Washington Monday. When they call, I set up the drop to here.

Too soon really. I'm going to empty the garage out Sunday and cover my Rockwell and the RAS with tarps. No choice with that now.

I already have my first job ordered from Sharon... She wants all her bottom cabinets shortened a few inches... She's short and the stone I fond for her is about 1-1/4 Granite and Marble. She's thinking since I'm going to cut them down, might as well go 2" down.

You're a sissy Mike - "you" find 1,000 lbs difficult to move? That's a job for your horse! If I were you, I think I would wait for your order to get ready. Too many "he said and she said" variables are involved in taking early delivery of someone else's order. I would wait on MY ORDER and not take-on all of the hopes and promises that they're making. If "he" was the last guy in line before you, then I think it would be safe to assume your order could be filled APPROPRIATELY very soon. In my experience, when you are sent parts (piece-meal); you get-into possible future warranty issues.

An old saying is: The BITTERNESS of poor quality lasts far longer than the SWEETNESS of a cheap price. I suggest DON'T SETTLE FOR LESS. 2 years, 4 months and 13 days from now, that early PARTIAL delivery won't have any value to you. Just my $0.02.

Otis Guillebeau from Auburn, Georgia
 

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LOL! I'd find a way, but got tools setup to make it easier.
I already have my first job ordered from Sharon... She wants all her bottom cabinets shortened a few inches... She's short and the stone I fond for her is about 1-1/4 Granite and Marble. She's thinking since I'm going to cut them down, might as well go 2" down.
try this route...
 

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Great idea Stick!
 

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The Rockwell Table Saw and the Craftsman Electronic RAS are both outside in the driveway.

It was a full day of dragging everything out of the garage, moving most of my wood stock to a wall in the utility shed... Organizing things as they went either to the utility shed or back on shelves in the garage.

I'm thinking one of my own projects should be cabinets. Shelves are nice, but I made some 32" deep and that's just too deep. I need a little something floor to ceiling about 24" deep.

Right now my back is feeling it. Sharon's also. As she was helping, then switched over to splitting wood. Got to love a woman that loves to split wood, eh?

EDIT-- I called. The clerk was surprised I wasn't called Saturday. Delivery to here tomorrow afternoon.
 

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Mike, WITHOUT A DOUBT, you are the guy that can put-together all of those pieces and end-up with a great saw. I just hope you get all of the pieces. Stick's solution is great. Short guys like me use stuff like that frequently.

Best of Luck,
Shorty (Otis)
 
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