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Enclosed is a PDF file I have written on the introduction to Template guides that I had promised a number of router users. I hope it will change the minds of those who have never used the guides before and at least give them a try. You have seen what I have done with my postings on the projects completed. Just a reminder if you do think it too difficult to use consider I teach the blind to use this method. I construct all the Jigs and Templates of course.

Let me know what you think of the method

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Birchwood said:
Well done Tom. And thanks for all the effort and sharing it.
I would be more than interested if you would let me know the results of using the method whenever you use the introduction to the use of the guides . There are a great number of projects that can be achieved using this method.
To keep up with technology I have working on a new design of producing a method of holding the material etc therefore replacing the Jig Holder
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It has been a few months now since I submitted the 'Introduction to the Use of Template Guides' and I was interested if anyone had any comments on the use of the guides and maybe there could be some postings and photographs of projects completed with the use of the guides.

In a couple of weeks I will be giving some demonstrations at our local wood show here in Perth Western Australia.I have been working on new techniques on how to use the guides to produce some facinating joints for a table construction for example consider a mitre joint with a tenon added or a sliding dovetail. Both methods of production will be shown for the first time.

I have also overcome the problem of inseting three legs to a centre column fo a wine table The problem in the past has been clamping it together especially if a Mortice and Tenon joint or a dowelling joint is used. I have introduced a sliding dovetail.

I have also looked at the possibility of using the router in the 'Plunge' mode to complete some of the tasks that were required to be completed in the router table rounding over the edges of the legs for the three legged table as an example. I must stress that it has to be done with safety and in this instance I consider it much safer than using the router table. It is also more convenient as I do not have to insert the router under the table(If I only had one router).

To produce all the jigs and template I first design them on the computer then off to my workshop to make the necessary jigs and templates from material that is readily available in the local wood suppliers.

We have underestimated the potential of the Guides for years (that also includes myself in this statement) but since I have found the advantages of the guides I usually ask myself 'To complete this part of the project can I use the guide?' If I find it is safer then I will spend that extra time in the preparation of the jig or template.

I have also advocated the use of the 40mm Guide (1-37/64ths) for a great number of reasons. I must also say I would have great difficulty in some of the calculations if I were using the imperial measurement therefore all my calculations are in metric. I am also aware of the sizes of some cutters that are supplied are simply the imperial size with the metric equivalent and that sometimes makes things difficult but there are more and more metric cutters becoming available each year.

Most people I talk to and from what I see in the postings will use a straight cutter with the guide mainly to reproduce the same article over and over again slightly larger. (That is what I also used to do) Since I have found there is more to the use of the guides it has brought a greater deal of interest to my routing. I also find I have great satisfaction in the completion of the necessary Jigs.

My apology for the long winded posting I only meant to ask if there was anyone willing to share their experience with the use of the guides. I have submitted a number of projects and 'how to do' in the past to this forum.

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Tom, I am actively trying to get the tool manufacturers to import or manufacture the 40 MM guide bushing for the US/Canada. I am not having any success so far, perhaps it is time for a company that really listens to woodworkers?
 

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Tom, I am actively trying to get the tool manufacturers to import or manufacture the 40 MM guide bushing for the US/Canada. I am not having any success so far, perhaps it is time for a company that really listens to woodworkers?
That is great news Mike that you are prepared to do this.I hope you have success, if you need any help give them my Email address and I will certainly converse with them.

Your problem is not local. I was asked to complete some demonstrations at our local wood show next week. Here is me thinking at 73 now is the time to retire but I have accepted the invitation to demonstrate the new router produced by Hitachi. It is a great machine to use, and next week I will be showing the people of Western Australia the advantages of the Template Guides with the router.

I am aware of the many projects that can be completed with the router in the table but my weekend will be to show 'How to get more from your router' with the aid of template guides. and never once over the weekend will I have a router in the router table. I will be producing tables and wine racks for example.

Though I have produced a couple of CD-ROMs, one on the introduction to template guides and the second a collection of projects produced with the aid of the guides. Never once was the router table used.

This method is much SAFER and as you are well aware Blind people were using the method last year in my woodworking group.

I have tried and without success over the internet to convince people to use the guides, those who have seen my demonstrations agree that the use of the guides is by far safer than the table and are willing to try to use them.

I will pick up my $1000.00 video camera tomorrow and hopefully I will produce some DVDs illustrating the method I have been using for years. Suitable for those who are not into computing and are willing to view the method on their TV. But regretable this will not solve the problem as there are a great number of detailed drawings required to suppliment the visual output that I have produced on my CD-ROMs.

Mike please keep trying as I am sure router users will achieve greater projects and satisfaction with the use of the Guides.

Router manufacturers are unaware of the advantages of the template guides.
Hitachi Australia sold very few Guides in the years 2004 and 2005.

If it is the last thing I do on this earth I will introduce safety with the router with the aid of Template Guides
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What router can a 40mm bushing be used ? If 1 inch equals 25.4 mm, them I have no router that can use it, without making a custom base. a 7/8X1 is as big as I need!
Thanx Tom for the info on guide bushings and templates.
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What router can a 40mm bushing be used ? If 1 inch equals 25.4 mm, them I have no router that can use it, without making a custom base. a 7/8X1 is as big as I need!
Thanx Tom for the info on guide bushings and templates.
Bud
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I use the Makita or Hitachi router.

what you're saying is that you're router base has an aperture of less than 25mm. This will restrict you to the size of cutters you can use.

Trap. You are very welcome to the copy of my explanation on how to use the guides.
I will be posting details how I produced the templates and Jigs to achieve what was required to produce the carving.
Keep in touch
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Tom,

I am very interested in learning more uses for template guides and greatly appreciate your input on this forum. I never owned a template guide until I got a router kit that came with a set of steel guides(have replaced them with brass). Right away I built a shelf pin jig which is simply a piece of 1/2" plywood with evenly spaced 1/2" holes to accept 1/2" a guide. I then plunge in the bit to the preset depth. I also built Bj's dado jig which uses a 1" guide riding thru a 1" slot, creating a dado with any bit that fits thru the guide.

Now for my question. When I need to make odd shaped, or duplicate pieces. I first make a pattern of 1/4" MDF using my scrollsaw and spindle sander then trace it on the workpiece. Then I cut the workpiece close to the line with the scrollsaw, bandsaw, or jigsaw. I then use a flush trim, or pattern bit with the bearing riding against the attached template to make the final cut. Would there be an advantage to making a smaller pattern and using a template guide?

Also since seeing is better then reading. I am anxiously awaiting the release of your DVD. Please let us know as soon as it is available.
 

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Tom,

I am very interested in learning more uses for template guides and greatly appreciate your input on this forum. I never owned a template guide until I got a router kit that came with a set of steel guides(have replaced them with brass). Right away I built a shelf pin jig which is simply a piece of 1/2" plywood with evenly spaced 1/2" holes to accept 1/2" a guide. I then plunge in the bit to the preset depth. I also built Bj's dado jig which uses a 1" guide riding thru a 1" slot, creating a dado with any bit that fits thru the guide.

Now for my question. When I need to make odd shaped, or duplicate pieces. I first make a pattern of 1/4" MDF using my scrollsaw and spindle sander then trace it on the workpiece. Then I cut the workpiece close to the line with the scrollsaw, bandsaw, or jigsaw. I then use a flush trim, or pattern bit with the bearing riding against the attached template to make the final cut. Would there be an advantage to making a smaller pattern and using a template guide?

Also since seeing is better then reading. I am anxiously awaiting the release of your DVD. Please let us know as soon as it is available.
Rusty
I would suggest a 9 - 12mm Thickness for your templates.
There would be a great advantage in making smaller template and using a straight cutter working in stages. You will end up with a better edge. (subject to you using a router support)
I certainly will let you know when I have completed my DVD in the meantime if I can assist you with any problem please let me know I have no objections to you emailing me as I may not be visiting the forum frequently.
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I'm answering on behalf of Tom who is having problems accessing the forum at the moment. He is having big problems with video editing the material for the DVD's, ideally what he needs is someone reading this who lives in or around Perth Western Australia who would like to trade his/her video experience for routing tuition. I'm sure that Tom won't mind me posting this.
 

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I'm answering on behalf of Tom who is having problems accessing the forum at the moment. He is having big problems with video editing the material for the DVD's, ideally what he needs is someone reading this who lives in or around Perth Western Australia who would like to trade his/her video experience for routing tuition. I'm sure that Tom won't mind me posting this.
Thanks Harry
I still have not been able to access the forum easily as it has taken me at least half an hour to get to this stage my apologies to all in the meantime I will be prepared to answer any questions if you send me an email.
As harry said I have been trying to convert all the material i have produced on CD-ROMs on to DVDs I must confess not an easy task by all means.
Harry check your mail box for a collection of items I am working on it is by no means the final product and I am sure you will give me your honest opinion of what I have done (You always do and I am grateful to you for voicing your opinion)
I hope I will have the forum problem solved
 

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You're obviously making some progress with the forum Tom, can you access other forums?
 

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Hi Tom

It's duck soup to change "CD-ROMs in to DVDs " you just need to use two machines.

Play the CD disk/VHS tape and let the DVD machine record at the same time..
e.g. player>recorder>TV then you have your master DVD copy.
I have tons of software that will do the same thing but the play & copy is the best way to get the job done...

I do it all the time with VHS tapes,CD disk , to put more then one tape or CD on the new DVD format ,the new Blue format will let you put up to 50hrs. on one disk but that's a diff. story.... :) but I must say with the DVD disk you can put up to 8 hrs. of viewing on one standard DVD disk...


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Hi All
It is thanks to Harry's direction when we were speaking on Skype this afternoon I am able to make postings and submit and view pics again, so hopefully I have solved the problem.
it may take me a little while to go through all the posting to see if I can add to the questions put forward.
I have been making steady progress with my Dining room chairs and I am at the final stages of construction.
Hopefully I will have a few pics of the various stages of construction.
 

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Tom, it's the first time that I've seen the finished chairs and can now see why they took you more than a half day each to make! Beautiful job Tom, it must take you back to the days when you had the factory/Routing school. What is the timber and did you send then out to be sprayed? I await with great interest shots of the carvers and ones taken during the making. Was any of the work trusted to you're advanced students?
 

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All I can say Tom is WOW!!!!!

Excellent work, beautiful chairs.

Ed......:)
 
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