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So I took out all the tools needed to disassemble the Lion...a 5/8" open end and a flat screwdriver...not a single Phillips in sight

First off were the 90 deg cams, made of brass, then the 45's. The 45's are actually two parts...the upper part where the screw head is exposed including a button head to hold the fence at 45...and a lower cast aluminum cup holding the threads and capturing a spring and post. Doesn't fly all over the place but needed to stand the Lion on it's back to hold both pieces...then all the small parts into a small plastic bin.

Then the fences also held in place by springs and clamping screws for holding a set angle...easy enough...but ya gotta wiggle 'em a bit...cast does not bend BTW... The clamping wing nuts also press against a T-pin that then presses against the deck plate to hold the fences at angles other than 90 and 45.

With the 5/8 wrench the post carriage bolts come off easy enough. Nuts were clean, shiny and looked brand new, threads were clean and nuts spun off by finger. These posts hold the blade guards (ears on either side of the posts), top rail for the top knife slide and hold the knife plate in the lower slide. These slides are nothing more than capture rabbets to allow the knife plate to slide left and right. Between the lower plate and the knife plate there's a big gear that transfers the rotation of the handle to a left right motion for the knife plate. The slide edges turned out to be crisp and clean...no chips, no rounding...and important to the knives making a proper cut...like a scissor.

Once the carriage bolts came off everything comes apart...but beware the two roll pins on the bottom and the one on top that aligns the posts to the upper plate and the lower deck plate...PHEW...almost a catastrophe...

You've seen those National Geographic documentaries where they show how a lion lays in wait for its prey to come closer...???? Well the knives on this baby do the same thing...sitting patiently waiting for you to make a mistake... Nope...didn't get me yet...

So now the deck plate is completely free of all the parts and ready to be cleaned...

Please note that I haven't cleaned the knives at all...nope, not one bit...that's the way I got 'em...see how they're just sitting there, smiling, waiting...

As you run your fingers, gently mind you, across the surface of the plate you can feel some small bumps...no more than the goose bumps on my own arms and back of the neck...gotta go. No, not mine...mine won't go away for a while... :)

I did a quick wipe down of the parts, light degunking of the plate and made sure all the parts were lightly oiled while they await the heavy duty cleaning. In the last picture you can see the right side being more pitted than the left...Apparently the left was used more than the right...never saw one of those frames before (only left miters) :)

Chapter Two - The Real Cleaning (to be continued)... :dance3:
 

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@Nickp...

WHEW!!!!
thought I lost you there...

time for DIY rust remover and some DIY cutting fluid...
rub that deck out w/ a diamond honing stone and cutting fluid...
good to go...

mark up the surface w/ a felt tip so when you start the polishing you'll be able to read the flatness and where the ''high'' spots....
 

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So..wanted to show before and after 2nd cleaning...

Method...small circular motion to the right...continue til arm falls off...then wipe down clean and start over circling in opposite direction...repeat until shoulder burns and goes numb...repeat with other side of body...

Tools...400 wet dry with hard flat block behind, 2x2'ish

Ingredients...Stick's Mix No. 7, cutting oil, posted yesterday...
 

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Nick, it sounds to me like you'll be needing a short vacation pretty soon with all that work. I'm thinking a visit to western Canada might be right up your alley.

Just in case you need something to keep you occupied I have a couple of tools which would benefit from your obvious expertise. Dinner on me of course.

Looking pretty darned good so far...probably even better than when it was brand new!
 

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Thanks, Keith...truly a labor of love...

Next will be the planes and irons with my brandy new Veritas MKii

Thanks for the invite...hope you wont mind me turning it down...have to replenish the elbow grease... :)
 

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impressive Nick...
ambitious too...
 
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I seem to remember Lee Valley selling the Lion trimmer years ago. Anyone else recall that? Price somewhere around $350 or so...

Wish I had been able to keep my old LV annual catalogues, they were a great resource for tool information of the day.
 

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Here are some more, but die hards will tell you the Lion is better. They all appear to be made by the same company:

Miter Trimmer | Grizzly Industrial

Miter Trimmer | Rockler Woodworking and Hardware

http://woodworker.com/cast-iron-mite...r&searchmode=2

I have never used the imports so I couldn't say, I would like to try one out though. If they really are as good as a Lion it's a great deal. A Lion Trimmer in semi decent fixable shape in need of 100 plus repairs and a lot of time could cost twice that of the new imports. Generally a rusted old lion cost 150 to 250.

In today's dollars a new lion would cost over 400.00 so I am not so sure a new one could compare,. An old Lion tuned up shaved what seemed like thousandth's of an inch with no crushing of the wood. I read though some of the reviews and it appear some love it, but almost anytime someone had used lion and compares gives the newer units one or two stars. It could be that the people that never used a nicely working Lion don't know what they are missing , possibly some of us are biased only because of nostalgia of the old units.
 

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Looking good Nick. Already an impressive difference between the before and after shots.
 
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Thank you all...especially for all the additional info...

BTW...the knife, planes, two Bessey 48 clamps and a wooden clamp $150...

...still running from the cops...

Craigslist has another Lion for 100...New Jersey...
 

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Anyone got any feedback about the Griz version of this? I've searched high and low for an original Lion with no success, and I don't fancy resurrecting one (not fun to me) The Grizzly site has one for $189 while the same thing on Amazon is $209. I have gotten picture frame angles down pretty well on the table saw by using a full kerf blade and working to carefully set yup the 45 on my Rockler sled, but for the final touch, this trimmer looks like the thing to use. Comments invited. My wife is showing some of her paintings today, and I'd sure like to make instead of buy custom and oversize frames.

I guess matte cutting comes next. Holy cow, yet another tool.
 

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Yes, I know that. But I'm pretty sure I remember the Lion name from years ago. Maybe in the '80's?

I remember being stunned at the price back then.

Do you have any of the old LV catalogues Stick?
no catalogs...
just the trimmer...
 

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Thank you all...especially for all the additional info...

BTW...the knife, planes, two Bessey 48 clamps and a wooden clamp $150...

...still running from the cops...

Craigslist has another Lion for 100...New Jersey
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DRT needs that link...
 

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DRT needs that link...
I was wrong...$110...

But it will need the cleaning etc...it looks lite it has a bit more rust and not sure of the condition of the blades.

Here it is... miter trimmer

Maybe Bill should expand his service to cleaning and restoring...
 

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that is a bit rough...
 
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