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Hey let's get a group of members together and go for a quantity discount!
Excellent idea Dennis.... give me a minute to get the calculator out :sold:

Lets see now.. to start I'll need 50-60 BF of thick 8-10/4 stock...
I'd love to do one of these in a Western Big Leaf Quilted Maple and Walnut...
ka-ching, ka-ching, ka-ching$$$$$$$$$$$
 

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I was just kidding, I was just kidding.......ROTFL
 

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Applying blotch control

You know your coming down the home stretch when you get to the point of applying blotch control on cherry woods. Couple of years ago, I gave Charles Neils product a try and havn't looked back since. The stuff just works. Period.
The rocker was wet down and sanded to 320 grit. One final going over while sanding identified a few spots that needed attention. It seems you never catch everything first go around on a big build like this. So with that in mind, I did a little touching up and began applying the blotch control. You can use either a rag or brush. I'll typically go with a brush, but its really 6 of one, half dozen of the other. Typically this is a 2 coat process. 1st coat is applied and let to dry for an hour or so, sanded down to 400 and then a 2nd coat is applied and let sit for at least 6 hours. I like to let it go overnight.
While still wet, the blotch control provides you with an excellent idea of what the grain patterns are going to look like. What a tease!!!!
An alternitive to this product is simply a dewaxed shellac.

Pics 293-295: just a couple of shots of the rocker after have applied the blotch control along with a few comments.

Pic 296: shot of the underside of the armrest to front leg joint. This joint inparticular seems to stand out just cuz its in front. Also, made note of the additional sanding of the front legs to slim them down just a tad. Sometimes less is more. Didn't remove much, but what I did take off, made a nice visual difference
 

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Finishing schedule

ok, I"m over it now *L*.... just a bit of an update for those interested...

For me the most anxious moments on a project come right at the beginning of a finish schedule. Will it work, what will it look like, did I make the right choices, blah, blah, blah....

What I was looking for in a finish for this project was something that would bring out the grain, have a soft satin sheen and add a bit of 'age' to the look of the rocker. I also was concerned about giving it a bit of wear resistance. Lacquer is my top coat of choice but for this rocker, not the best one. So poly it is. Did a little homework and came up with a "name" appropriate product. Sam Maloof's poly/oil blend. Sold by Rockler. Now as I understand it, this is NOT Sam Maloofs own personnel recipe, rather a product developed for Rocker that Maloof was fond enough of that he ok'd the use of his name on it. In fact, he used this stuff on alot of his later work. Essentially its a very old recipe. 1/3 Boiled Linseed oil or tung oil-1/3 thinner and 1/3 vanish. As far as I can tell, the only difference between the original recipe and the Maloof blend is that the Maloof blend comes with a hefty price tag!!! Which is really the only negative about it. Reviews on the product and conversations in various other forums is for the most part very positive. The negatives were price, why buy when you can blend it yourself and it does not offer enough in the way of wear protection. I"m not exactly sure why I didn't blend my own and give it a try but I didn't and that'll be something for another time. This go round, I went and bought the product as well as the oil/wax blend to put on as a finish coat.

First things first. You gotta sand it brother, you gotta sand it and sand it good!! I tried a couple scraps and a couple different schedules, and found that going to 400 is about the minimum. Anything less and you leave behind alot of grain definition. 600 is an excellent dropping off point and anything above is alot of extra work for a nominal gain. At 400 I wet down the rocker, raised what little grain was left to raise and knocked that down with 600.

Application of the poly/oil blend is straight forward with a couple things to keep in mind. Have plenty of clean, lint free rags handy (I use old tee shirts for the most part) I'm applying the blend with rags. You got to hustle while putting this stuff on. The idea it to not really let it start setting up. Apply it, and then wipe the wood down thoroughly. Removing all the excess and then let dry for 24 hrs. Depending on the wood, the first couple coats get soaked up pretty good. On this rocker, the 1st coat got pulled in pretty good, the second coat started the building up process. I figure two more coats of the poly/oil blend and then 2 coats of the oil/wax.
After two coats, the look of the rocker is outstanding. The cherry wood is a warm reddish brown with the grain and figure just starting to pop. One of the nice things about this blend I found is that it really shows up any areas that may need a little more sanding attention. After the first coat, I found 4 smallish areas that I had to go back over.
The smell of this stuff certainly one you can live with. Not to bad at all. Wiping it down after application is pretty easy but you do go thru several rags in the process.
The end result is most pleasing not only to the eye, but to the touch. Or at least to this point of the schedule anyways. I"m looking forward to seeing just how this all works out not.. :)
 

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ohhhhh yeah!!! :)

Phew....I'm glad that's all over.....VBG

Very interesting build and commentary, Thanks, but I will stick to my coin trays until I get them right.....LOL.
 

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Phew....I'm glad that's all over.....VBG

Very interesting build and commentary, Thanks, but I will stick to my coin trays until I get them right.....LOL.

not quite over,, still a bit of finishing to do, but darn close now. Should be done Friday and no later than Sunday.

Honestly, rockers, coin trays, boxes, chess tables...its all good, just so long as you enjoy doing it.....:)
 

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She's all but done

Well,,, it took a while, and I certainly cut it down to the wire, but the rocker is completed with the exception of one coat of wax and a little buffing down which I'll do tomorrow morning before heading off to the wedding. The color in natural lighting turned out lighter than I expected. Which isn't a good or bad thing. The curl is just fantastic (however, it really does not come across in the pics). The wife and daughter love it. The rocker is exceptionally comfortable, rocks smoothly and has a bit of an aged look that I was hoping for. The Maloof poly/oil finish was a perfect choice. It doesn't have that plastic look. Rather the chair is warm and inviting with just a warm glow to it, and I dare ya to not want to touch it.

At first blush, I'd have to say I'm just tickled to death with how she turned out. There are no doubt a couple of nit-picky things that I'll be concerned with later on. For now, I"m just going to enjoy what I consider a project well done...

Thanks to everyone who followed this thread as long and drawn out as it might have been. If it were not for you guys and the well over 200 emails I got on it,,,,I would have ended the thread long ago. So here ya go, hope you all feel that your patience and interest in the build worth while...

I'll let the pictures speak to the build on their own..
 

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Outstanding Bill! Your talents and patience far exceed mine. Thanks for starting and finishing the build with its many pic's and comments. I can now use this thread for some future reference and if I decide I need help in pulling out the few remaining hairs on my head then I will attempt the Maloof inspired rocking chair build.
 

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Outstanding job Bill! You are right, the finish is perfect with that nice sheen to it. As the wood ages it will only get better. The joinery is spot on and that is critical in Maloof chairs as we all know. I think my favourite bit is the extra detail in the crest rail - that's a really nice touch. Thanks for the detail in the post, it has been a real learning experience.
And so, for your next project?
 

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Outstanding Bill! Your talents and patience far exceed mine. Thanks for starting and finishing the build with its many pic's and comments. I can now use this thread for some future reference and if I decide I need help in pulling out the few remaining hairs on my head then I will attempt the Maloof inspired rocking chair build.

Thank you Jim... I could not agree more about taking bits and pieces learned from a build and applying them to another. This one was chuck full of learning experiences. But
Patience I got :), talent?? well..dont' know about that. But I do got a full head of hair *L*

Thanks for the kind words
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Outstanding job Bill! You are right, the finish is perfect with that nice sheen to it. As the wood ages it will only get better. The joinery is spot on and that is critical in Maloof chairs as we all know. I think my favourite bit is the extra detail in the crest rail - that's a really nice touch. Thanks for the detail in the post, it has been a real learning experience.
And so, for your next project?
Dennis... agreed, the joinery portion of this build turned out quite well. And indeed, that is what sets the Maloof builds apart. She should age well and last long enough to do so. She is surprisingly solid. I think using the epoxy contributed to that. You can try to twist and turn her while seated, and not a bit of give to be found. I'm with you on the crest, the little touch did make a big difference. I'd like to have taken the time to add a small inlay in the center, perhaps on the next one.. :)

Next project??? well, I've several boxes and picture frames to catch up on, 1 bird house and I"m trying to convince the wife that a Maloof inspired set of chairs w/matching chess board would actually have a market.

life is good!!

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Not sure where the nit-picking would be but it certainly a beautiful end project.
Congratulations! Pure beauty!

Thank you Al... kind words indeed :)

Nit picky... yeah... there are some. the most noticeable is on the crest where one of the screws came too close to the outside of the board. Close enough that I had to cut a small section and put in a patch. The patch fit beautifully, but the glue is/was too dark and the wood I used for the patch actually got put in upside down. The patch, reflects the wood backwards from what it should.. :(. At some angles, you can't even see it, looking for it, at others, its easily seen. There there are 2 or 3 small spots where I could have spent more time sanding. There are at the undersides of the joints, pretty much out of site, but you know how that goes...:)
 

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Bill, another exceptional project. When you announced you were starting on this I knew it would be a work of art... and it is. My hat is off to you!

A couple of months before you started this project I spoke at length with Charles Brock about this type of chair building. I think Charles would love to see the photos of your finished project. With your permission I am going to call him and ask him to look in on this thread. Getting this kind of results on your first effort doesn't surprise me; it is typical of the craftsmanship in all your projects. Well done!
 

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Moving on to the next project...

Just a few odds and ends I'd like to add to finish up this build. First and foremost I'd like to once again say thanks to guys who followed this thread from the start thru the finish and to all of those who took the time to send emails. Thank you...

Looking back over the build, I thought perhaps a summary of sorts might be in order. With that in mind:

Skill level for build.
I find it very difficult to define a level of ability one should have before attempting anything. Obviously this is not a project a novice would typically tackle nor is it one that a seasoned craftsman would have trouble with. If I had to pick a range of ability one should have before attempting this type of rocker build, I'd say 'moderate'.

Investment.
This build requires a substantial investment. Both in terms of money and time. This is NOT a cheap build. The wood alone can run upwards of 1K and up, depending on the wood chosen. I put a little over 600 into the wood alone. approx. 60bf of 10/4 highly figured premium cherry. And that was with getting a more than fair price for the quality of the wood. Savings can be had various ways. Purchase specific thickness's as per the plan (8,9 & 10/4), Staying away from figured woods, builds with less popular spieces of wood.
Equipment: the list of tools needed to complete this build can vary greatly depending on one's willingness to put in a little extra effort. In some cases, alot of extra effort. You don't need a complete set of rasps, but a couple well chosen ones will do fine. You don't need a complete set of burrs, a couple will do fine. A Med. grit grinding wheel IMHO is a must. A jigsaw will do in place of a bandsaw, a few well tuned card scrappers are good to have. A router plane is nice, but not required. I guess the bottom line is depending on how well equipped your shop is to begin with determines to a great extent the additional investment needed. Ones ability and willingness to make due with what they already got will go along ways as well. The burr's and grinding wheel are things that might just sit around after the build unless you decided to do similar builds later on. But be prepared to layout some money for tools.
Time: I'd say I have somewhere between 175 & 200 hrs. in the build. A good bit of that was time spent practicing on scraps shaping and getting used to using the various rasps, burr's and grinding wheel. Still more time was spent just farting around with "what if I do this, what if I did that kinda stuff". But thats just me, I enjoy that part of a build. If you're a wheel to the grindstone kinda guy, you can easily knock of a substantial amount of time on the build.

Wood:
My opinion is that any good hardwood would do. This is just a fantastic looking piece of furniture by design regardless of materials used to build it. Just make sure the wood is sound, dried properly and if at all possible, of the same boule/flitch. One of the things that surprised me was the amount of cut off's generated by this build. It is substantial. I Kept all of the cut offs (see pic) I"m sure you'd find use for yours as I will for mine.

Plans:
I picked up Charles Brocks plans for this chair for something like 90 bucks. This included full size templates, instruction manual on the process of the build and 2 DVD's. One on construction of the rocker and the second on the "Shaping" of the rocker. In my opinion, a very fair price!!

Finish:
What ever suits your eye. I found the Maloof oi/poly finish by Rockler to be an excellent choice.

Dust...
There was ALOT of it!!! Good dust collection is a MUST. Dust masks are a MUST.

Use of burr's/grinding wheel:
These things are fantastic tools to have, period! BUT they will bite ya! Trust me, I found out. :) Just be careful! Thats all, be careful, pay attention to what your doing. Be prepared for the occasional "bite" when you put the bit to wood. If you've never used a grinding wheel before, take the time to practice with it. It will be time well spent. One can quite easily set a project by hours if not days if you let the grinding wheels get away. ALWAYS maintain complete control! Work your way to where you want to get slowly. Step back often to check out your progress. Plan where you want to go! Just 'having at it'...not such a good idea.

This proved to be an exceptional learning experience. I have a new found respect for the use of rasps!!! The burr's and grinding wheels have opened up new aspects of wood working that otherwise would be difficult if not impossible to duplicate. I came up with ways/methods for sanding that I"ve never used before. I found that body shop sanding pads/sponges a huge asset.
The actual "shaping" of the rocker proved to be the most rewarding! Spend time with it, Practice, play, pay attention to what you can do, what works and what don't. Pay attention to the scratch patterns left by the rasps. If you can get your hands on a good "Made in the USA" set of Nicholsen's 49 & 50 rasps, by all means do so! The Auriou rasps were/are just a joy to work with. Amazing what a hand stitched rasp can do. There are several high quality hand stitched rasp mfg.s out there so shop around.

So, the bottom line is, if you got the means, the time and are up for a great challenge, GO FOR IT!!


Pic 308: This one is for James :) This is how I plan on keeping everything together while waiting for the next one.

Pic 309: The cut off's in totol from 60bf of 10/4 stock (+/-)

Pic 001: Where it all started

Pic 298: Where it all ended
 

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