Great score Jerry! Love the high ceilings you will have. I'm glad you are getting some extra room to use. Aren't great wives wonderful?

 

Ha! You rascal, you already know how jealous I am of twice the space that I have for a shop and now you rub it in with pictures. Can't wait to get over there and help you arrange it for the first time and then sit back and watch you rearrange it dozens more times over the years like I have

 

Hi Jerry

very nice
It's going to be a nice WARM shop I guess building a boat is out for now unless you take the window out and replace it with some French doors..


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It already has French doors, that is one of the nice things about it, and it will be warm in the winter and cool in the summer.

Dr Z you are right, it does not get cold in Georgia. I lived in Gillette. Wyoming for a number of years and got up into North Dakota several time working in the oil fields as a field engineer. I remember one Dec 24th in Minot -25 plus the wind chill and compared to Canada that would be warm. There were times in Gillette that it got pretty cold, cold enouth to freeze my water to my house 8' under the road . They used a welding truck to thaw the lines by hooking the leads to each end and running current through the copper lines--it worked.

 

Nice warm shop??? It has to be Bj. You know how cold it gets in GA. in the winter time. Burrrrrr.

 

There are going to be a lot of jealous members Jerry, that's going to be one fabulous, well equipped workshop.

 

Jerry,

your gonna love that, it will make a super shop!

one suggestion (not meant crtically my friend lol) you mentioned using the carpet in front of the workbench to cushion feet and legs, i had that and replaced the carpet with the foam rubber cushions(4 that are put together 6 bucks at harbor freight) and love them.!! now i can sweep sawdust dirt and mud away from them so easy and they are softer than carpet. with the carpet you never sould get all the dirt and sawdust out. just my 2 cents lol.

your new shop area looks great, i am jealous of all the space!

ps, with the carpet gone concrete floor is easier cleaned and moving machinery around is easier.

 

I am sure that will be the way to go as soon as possible, like after a drill press, 14" band saw, a sharpening station for tools a dust abatement system.

Well maybe the pads will have to be moved up some. If my wife saw this post, well as you all know she is gracious with this stuff, but that would be to much I am sure. I shall just go slow with this stuff.

 

friday, i had the cable tv people run an outlet to my shop, then i found out it had to be buried. i couldnt wait around for them and make sure they didnt dig up my telephone and electrical, so yesterday after my grandson and i stayed in the shop all morning i started digging the ditch. the ground was soft after all the rain weve had this year and in an hour i was through, bout 70 feet of ditch. i was so p[roud of myself and how easy it was. to day i woke up and even the few strands of hair on top of my head were sore, hahahahaa

 

I do not get that. The cable company uses a slitting machine that puts the cable in with no trench. It pushes the cable into the ground about 12" where no other wires are. The phone and electrical are deeper, around 30" to 44" around here.

I had mine done and just lived with the wire running across the grass until they came back the following week. It took the guy about 15 minutes to run a 300 foot cable underground.

Why do all that digging yourself? Dig here yourself and hit something you get fined 10,000.00.

 

All right. That does it. I'm kicking the wifes' car out of the garage, uh, tomorrow. :'(

 

Where can we send flowers?

 

aaahh bobj, i hadnt thought of that. i can hear my wife now if i fired up a saw or router about 6 am. id be in major trouble. but not all wives are exactly alike.
im sure Jerry's wife may be more understanding. good reason to use lots of insulation, as soundproofing making it warmer as a side result!

 

Tell her to do what my wife does, ear plugs and I am not kidding. She puts them in when she goes to bed because I am ripping through 12" B-Cherry at 2:00 am and I do not care if all 6 kids wake up. Being born into it they sleep right through, she doesn't so ear plugs at bed time and thats me working in the garage(bedrooms above the garage).

 

ah, but Bj..... you have not seen his wife's theater system. She can drown out any.... and I do mean any tool he has

 

Jerry,

You do not know how jealous I am.....

How many garages and basements do you have...LOL

I know that you will end up with a great workshop.....

James

 

Jerry,good idea to run every other outlet on different circuit. Thats how I set mine up. Lights are on two 15 A circuits. Just incase one set of lights go out, I'm not in the dark.
Aren't you going to run a 220V outlet any where? I put two in on opposite sides of the shop. I have a machine that can run on 110 or 220V, but you never know when you might need one.

 

Jerry,good idea to run every other outlet on different circuit. Thats how I set mine up.

I've learned that it's better to wire 1 circuit for 1 area, another circuit for another area, etc. There is no way I want the potential of having 220 volts between 2 outlets right next to each other. I've seen electrical explosions because of that.

 

Dr Z

I have thought about that and I am not sure yet. There is one wall that has not gone up and won't for a while. We will just use 3.7 mill plastic for now, For the walls I will put in 4X9' sheet rock (because the ceiling is 9') using screws and not yet taping and toping. This way if I need to get behind a wall I will just remove that sheet.

One reason I am doing it that way is we are going so fast with all this and the money is short. So if we need to make changes down the line we can and then make it more permanent.

Ya the 220V will probable mean setting anouther panel next to the main panel. The important thing to watch there is "taping in before the main". The proper way this is too be done is setting in a 50amp breaker and then running a circuit off of that breaker. This also will require redoing the 200 amp main to make room. What I will probably do is leave enouth wire out side the box so I can re-run the basement circuits to the new breaker box.

Before I hurt my shoulder I was an ICC certified building inspector for one and two family dwellings. However to be sure of all this I would have to get my code book on electrical and review what the codes says but I think I am right. I do remember that you cannot "tap" before the main breaker at the 200 amp main panel. I am sure some electrician will comment here and I will applicate the input. I also know in the second panel the neutral/ground buss must be removed and in the second panel you cannot put a neutral wire in a ground bus nor a ground on the neutral bus. In the main usually they don't but you can with out it violating Code (unless that changed with the 2006 revisions).

Man thanks for the question, You got me thinking some more. Oh yes one more nice feature of the house is the floor trusses for the up stairs are open web 18" trusses so there will be plenty of room up there to do things.

Man you know what I just thought? I can put in a dust abatement system one day totally above ceiling with just the drop downs. I may look into one where the main blower could be out side the house in a protected enclosure thus reducing the noise in the house!! Maybe that will not be good because you could not see any obstruction in the lines. What do y'all think?

This is why I like the forum, you can get suggestions from so many experienced people and as long as I am willing to listen, and I will stay willing, others can get involved and I can even incorporate their advice.

This way you guys out there really do get to have an active roll in my shop. If you have an idea out there suggest away.

 

The attached photos show the wiring diagram as I purpose to do it. I need to find out today if I need to put in a new panel---I don't think so'. Some of the circuits will not go in yet, but wait for the next phase.

 

Even if you do not need to put in a sub panel it is the way to go. I put one in my basement and one in the shop and boy I am happy I did. If a basement circuit pops running all the way upstairs in the dark was not fun. Now I have a box in the basement right there. Plus it is simpler to wire form a central location in the basement and only run one line to the main box.

Even if the sub panel is right next to the main box it makes things much more organized and may leave room for expansion to. The simplicity in wiring from the sub panel made it worth it for me. I have one sub panel right next to the main box and another sub panel in the basement.

 

There is no doubt that would be the way to go, and I probable do that. It is just know that is more than I can afford. What I will do is leave plenty of slack in the wires going into the main until I can get one in. I did price one over at HD amd it really isn't all that much to do it. Until such time as I put one in, I have to say not now.

 

Money is always an issue thats for sure!

In my case the labor to go back to the panel would have caused me to miss two weeks of work so to me it worked out. Plus to meet code I had to run the sub panels if I wanted it to pass inspection.

Either way you are going to have a nice setup!

 

Yes my panel is in the down garage right next to the space. The panel is a 200amp and has 5 open slots that would accommodate 5 double 20amp breakers now when I make any other changes I will have to set anouther panel right next to the existing and then it will be different. I do not intend to sheet rock the hall so I will have access to the back of the panel until I do.

I started the rough-in today and will have the first three circuits ready shortly, once that is done I'll get the sheet rock for those areas and get it in so I can finish moving the cabinets from up to down. and set the peg board so I can get somewhat organized!! Sure is a lot of work, but a kind of fun work if you know what I mean.

 

First two sheets, well one and a half, went up last night and will get more today. I sure see why I am into woodworking and not sheet rocking!! Hope to have it all in by Friday or Monday for sure. I will post a pic this evening when I have more up. I rally want to get the cabinets and pegboard in before the 19th, going in for cataract surgery on the left eye than four weeks later the right and then sometime later to correct double vision. I will probably be out of pocket for a while as far as the shop is concerned.

 

one day closer, I think???

Latest pics, I know its not exciting but has to be done. place sure is a mess, dust all over, and not wood type dust but sheet rock dust.

 

Actually that is exciting!

You must be very happy with yourself and isn't it great showing the wife that you are valuable after all!

Looks like someone will be slinging mud soon!

 

Aint it great when it all starts to come together. You're off to a good start Jerry. Hang in there (pun intended).

 

When it's all done, Wifey is going to have second thoughts and move you right back to the garage. She'll decide she has a use for that room.

 

wife unit is very special



Well if she does, she has earned it. Putting up with me for near 38 years!! I will tell you all she would have to do is ask and it is her space I can live in the garage, better there than the dog house. My wife is to be honored on this special day. When I hear other guys talk about a wive who is not understanding I feel very fortunate with Jenelle.

 

Work on hold for a while

Had first of thee eye surgeries Thursday, first of the cataract surgeries last will be to correct the double vision I have had for a long time. Doc say not lifting, no grunting no bending and espically no saw dust for several weeks. I will say already that it is worth it!! The shop can wait till this gets taken care of. When it is all over, should just wear reading glasses only when reading. That would be great, I have worn glasses since 1st grade nearly 60 years now.

I guess I will just have to hang out here and see what you all are doing and enjoy it that way,

 

Jerry, take care of those eyes please. I'm glad to hear the first surgery is ok. Please keep us informed as to progress.

 

Eye surgery for cataracts



I cannot get over the fact that for the first time in nearly 60 years I went all day with out wearing glasses. Until the right eye is done I need them working here at the computer, but that should change when the right eye is done.