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Nebula Controller Failure :(

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After they sat idle for a few months and survived being moved from one shop to another I finally got around to checking out the condition of our college owned Meteor and Nebula from Probotix.

A student was able to use the Nebula with no complaints last week. Wednesday this week I wanted to show the students how to use the rotary axis so we booted up the Nebula again. Something must have happened inside the unity controller. The right Y motor would not respond to any jogging or g-code command. As such I couldn't Home the machine, and any Y movement would rack the gantry. Attempts to jog the X or Z axis would quickly generate a flurry of limit errors with the occasional E-Stop pressed warning (it never was).

I've boxed up the controller to ship back to Probotix on Len's advice. Hopefully they can diagnose and repair it.

Sad am I. That Nebula has caused me a few fits over the 3 years we've had it, but always kept on running.

4D
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Speaking of joinery, I came up with a sample I'm calling a tapered tenon array. The goal was to make a joint with considerable holding friction when it was together, but was also easy to tap apart. Thus the tapered tenons. I may regret showing it to the students as it is time consuming to cut, and takes careful vector layout to end up with a good fitting joint.
We’re getting a little afield from the original topic here, But this is a similar concept developed by that paragon of fine woodworking, Ikea: :wink:

How Ikea's New Joinery is Advancing Their Design - Core77

The CNC enables new concepts, and I appreciate those like @4DThinker who are willing to share their ideas.
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I've been aware of what Ikea is doing since it was first published. I like their table design with the joint and appreciate that their prototype shop has leeway to experiment. Of course they can afford to have custom cutters made for production of that joint while our college budget keeps getting cut and even called back each year. Tuition keeps rising to compensate and administration wonders why enrollment is going down.

Since we added CNCs to our fine furniture fabrication lab (on my recommendation) I've been able to solve many joinery challenges that would have led to "Go back to the drawing board" advice before.

4D
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Alas, the Fall 2017 semester has ended. The rotary axis on our Nebula was key to the success of a few student projects. Having a talented student employee handle many of the CNC job requests did ease up on my personal CNC work load, but didn't come close to eliminating it. A quick check of the files I have on the USB drive I carry around at all times has 54 unique Aspire files and 3x that many toolpath files with a fall 2017 date stamp on them. This is after I filter the CNC requests and turn many students away as their requests can often be done more easily/efficiently on other machines.

I've come up with a good way to connect leg parts that have to appear as if they pass through a table top or shelf, but it is a challenge to create toolpaths for when the leg parts are tapered and pass through the shelf at a compound angle. Drafting techniques I learned several decades ago in high school are how I solve these CNC joinery challenges. It appears current architectural college students aren't being taught drafting as I learned it though. CAD yes, but not problem solving using drafting techniques.

We also have concluded our Nebula is not as accurate as our Meteor is. When both halves of a joint are cut on the Meteor we can get repeatable precise fits. When the same files are used to cut one half on the Meteor and the other half on the Nebula the fit is less predictable.

I've put in a request to upgrade both CNCs to air cooled spindles, and add a new Comet to replace an old CNC-Shark. The Comet we want would have the new taller gantry sides and larger gantry beam from Probotix. That should make it a machine capable of cutting taller 3D furniture parts, and perhaps stiff enough to cut aluminum parts.

4D
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That air cooled spindle would be a godsend for you.

If (I mean when the accounting dept approves my request) I get another machine I would probably go with a Meteor. That would do everything I've done so far.

Keep pounding on them!!!
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I'm also considering buying one of the Probotix V90-MK2 CNCs for myself. Also with the taller gantry sides and stiffer beam. I'm contemplating how to mount it on a frame that will let me change how far it is off the floor. We occasionally get requests for using the CNC to cut tenons on the end of lengthy frame parts. My Meteor's bed is 42" above the floor. A comfortable working height for myself. The college Probotix CNC beds are 36" above the floor. Sofa frames and bed frames come up occasionally. I even had a request for cutting tenons on the ends of a 48" long bench plank this semester. For this type of work a large bed isn't required. Just plenty of room under the bed. Scissor jack? Heavy duty adjustable shelf brackets? Probably not tunable magnetic repulsion. ;)

4D
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I didn't look up the specs. How big is the frame for the V90?

The adjustable height work table/dual router work center I built is based on a RV scissor jack from Harbor Freight. I bought that model because it had the bolt head welded on the jack so a drill with a socket can easily operate it.

Maybe you can make something similar that would fit your frame. Might take two jacks so you can easily level the frame from each end.

Seems like even in the simplest form, you could jack it up (or down) and pin bolts through predrilled holes. That should be pretty easy to do.

Here is the link to my project.

http://www.routerforums.com/show-n-tell/46562-adjustable-height-workstation-router-table-more.html

Hope this helps and gives you some inspiration.
Mike
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I didn't look up the specs. How big is the frame for the V90?
Mike
The V90-MK2 is 26.36" wide x 22.28" deep. Very nearly .5x the area of their Comet CNC. Add the length of a stepper motor to each direction: http://www.probotix.com/wiki/images/7/76/Machine_footprints.jpg

Your table project looks great! My goal for the MK2 project is to leave the area under the bed frame clear though. That is where projects will get clamped/hung. I'll replace the whole bed area with a custom version of my adjustable angle clamping fixture.

4D

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It appears the Delrin lead rod nut on our X axis (gantry) may be due for replacement. The Y axis nuts may be next. Probotix describes them: The Delrin anti-backlash nuts are designed to wear and may need to be replaced periodically,...

The Nebula was the most used CNC for the 2 years we were in temporary shop spaces. The nuts may be where the precision of our cuts is getting reduced. It looks like the stepper(s) will have to be unscrewed from their mounting plates, couplers loosened, and stop rings loosened from the lead rods to allow the nuts to spin off the end of the threaded rod. The nut mounting block with the limit switches attached may have to be disassembled so that the steppers don't have to have to be cut free to get out of the way.

A puzzle I'm not looking forward to.

4D
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