New Chisels....

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sreilly

Discussion Starter · Feb 17, 2019

And I'd viewed more videos than I can take. As I haven't bought or used chisels in a long time, and those were Stanly's used to notch wood like 2x4's and the like, I bought a set of Narex Bench chisels and finally got around to taking them out of the packaging. I had also gotten a set of Narex Mortise chisels. So after seeing these videos and wanting to do the right thing I decided to flatten the back side of the chisels. I have the DMT Diamond Duo plates with Coarse/Fine/X-Fine diamond plate surfaces. I found from trying to flatten a bench plane iron that I needed something a bit more than coarse to start with as the iron had never been flattened. So I ended up with using some Norton wet/dry 220 grit paper which did a decent job of getting the stubborn edges flat all the way across and then proceed with the other three steps polishing it more and more as I went. I finished the iron using the Veritas MKII system and got a really shard iron. So this morning I was excited about taking on the chisels until I wasn't. As the shoulder isn't 100% yet and won't be for at least another 5-7 weeks I just wanted to flatten the widest chisel and check it's flatness. Hoping the coarse plate would be a good starting point I quickly became discouraged. I'm using water as my lubricant and I'm only trying to flatten from the tip back maybe 2-3" and quickly saw that this was far from flat. I had run my HF 3 chisels very quickly and they did well, mostly in about 10 minutes on coarse but the Narex was well into 40-45 minutes and that included the 220 grit sandpaper and coarse diamond stone, possibly longer. I was starting to feel some soreness in my hand and realized I was flattening them as well. As trying to hold the width of the chisel flat and with pressure I was using both hands similar in the same method you would for CPR except I was standing. They don't mention what to do with skin cells in the mesh of the diamond stone but I figured I'd clean that up for good measure and the slurry was stopping any bleeding.....and I have really smooth palms. The chisels in this subject are found here https://www.infinitytools.com/narex-premium-bench-chisels

So back to Google, DMT's website, and Amazon (the website not the jungle). So I ordered the Extra Extra Coarse Diamond Stone and should have that in a few days but I still have the issue with holding the chisels flat on the stones. So I immediately thought of the wisdom of this group and thought I could entertain you with my antics, abrasions, and newly smoothed skin while seeking some wisdom other then "send them to Louie's Sharpening Service and get it done for $50". I can't be the first, and if I am I loose, to have this kind of issue with sharpening, or at the least the flattening process. I was thinking that there must exist somewhere a holder that will allow a strong grip on a small part so it can be help down flat with pressure and allow good clear hand contact. Anything guys and gals? My palms would greatly appreciate it. Some pics included to hopefully see the problem.

Next thing to tackle would be the mortise chisels...........

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Barry747

· #41 · Feb 19, 2019

JOAT said:
... so just what are you supposed to be gaining by flattening the backs of your chisels?

The edge of a knife is where the two sides meet. Think of a chef's knife and how it's sharpened . If you only run your sharpener down one side of the knife blade, you will make it sharp but not as sharp as if you run your sharpener down both sides of the blade. Try it with one of your kitchen knives if you don't believe me.

A chisel or a plane blade is simply a knife edge on a different tool. The nice thing about one of these, vs a chef's knife, is that once the back is flattened you're done with that edge and in the future you only have to sharpen one edge.

In terms of sharpening the edges to a polished finish there is value in that. Consider a chisel that needs serious sharpening. Say you dropped it on the concrete floor, not that I would never do such a thing of course, so you need to put a new edge on the blade. I may start with 220 grit sandpaper to remove the ding and get to a straight edge. Why not stop there? Because, if you look carefully at the edge you can see that the sandpaper left the edge with tiny points like a very fine saw blade. Not very sharp. I move to 320 grit to get rid of those big points and make them smaller. That makes the edge sharper. As I move up in grit that edge gets sharper and sharper. Where do I stop? Wherever I want to. Pick your grit and call it a day. I like to get to a mirror finish. Why? Because getting to a mirror finish is not so that you can comb your hair in the reflection. That no longer takes a mirror for me. The mirror finish means that the scratches on the edge are so fine that they don't scatter the light hitting it but reflects it back. That means the edge is scary sharp. At that point I can shave the hair off my arm and that is my test of sharpness.

We all know that in woodworking there's usually more than one way to accomplish a task. That's pretty much true with sharpening tools. If an ax will do the job you don't go looking for a scalpel. It's whatever works for you.

I've been using sandpaper and the Veritas MKII system for years and it works. I love the jig, I hate the sandpaper. I'd like to move up to a combination of diamond and water stones but I can't afford it so I continue to use the sandpaper. The good thing about all of this is, I only have to sharpen one face of my tools because all of them have flat backs that go roughly 1.5" or so behind the cutting edge.

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sgcz75b

· #42 · Feb 19, 2019 (Edited)

"In terms of sharpening the edges to a polished finish there is value in that."

Great write-up Barry and you are absolutely correct. Polished edges are a necessity to a fully sharpened tool.

But polishing more than the edges is an exercise in shine without benefit to edge sharpness.

You seem like the type of fellow who would enjoy this book.

"The Perfect Edge : The Ultimate Guide to Sharpening for Woodworkers" by Ron Hock.

Lays to rest many sharpening myths and poor sharpening techniques that still prevail in some circles.

Best to you,
Steve

Steve

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woodknots

· #43 · Feb 19, 2019

Ditto what Barry and Steve said:

Another good book is - "The Complete Guide to Sharpening" by Leonard Lee

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gmercer_48083

· #44 · Feb 19, 2019

My father taught me the basics of sharpening, and believe me he could sharpen. I saw him once sharpen a 1/2" twist drill bit with a honing stone by hand and watched him drill through a steel trailer bed. I have never seen that again in the last 50 years. I still have his honing stone and use it for my chisels and plane irons.

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Barry747

· #45 · Feb 20, 2019

sgcz75b said:
"But polishing more than the edges is an exercise in shine without benefit to edge sharpness.

Steve,

I agree. The only polishing that I do is the back and the bevel. I only polish the back once unless I damage the cutting edge and the damage goes through to the back of the blade. Like hitting a nail with your chisel or dropping the chisel. blade facing down, (who me?) then some rework on the back may be necessary. But normally the back is once and done.

In terms of the book, thanks for the suggestion. I don't know how many books I read in school and since then until, thanks to YouTube, I found out that I learn best through video, second is the written word. Another problem with learning a better way to do things means that it usually means buying more toys. (Think diamonds and stones for sharpening.) And all that would do for me at this point is to drool all over the page. Tough to read through drool.

Thanks,
Barry

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