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Hi, I'm new to the Forum. My current router set-up is a single speed Porter Cable in an INCRA PRL-V2 Lift using my Table Saws Incra 52" Fence. I have only limited experience with Routering. I bought the current setup back in 2009 when we were building the Cottage and we were using reclaimed lumber to finish off the interior. All the Cabinetry, facades and doors had to be made by us to maintain the rustic look we wanted in certain areas

When I retired, we moved into a 100 year old Georgian House. We are slowly working thru the work list in order to get the house back into near original state. The original entry door had been replaced with a new plain looking flat door (84'' x 36" x 1-7/8"), about 10 of the original 8 -12 pane storm windows were replaced with aluminum storms and all the old wooden screen windows are long gone.

Last year I refurbished 32 storm windows; removed all the puttied window panes, stripped them down to bare wood, re-installed and puttied all the panes and then repainted. I added fold-out hardware on some of the storms to allow for easier air ventilation during the summer.

My goal over the next two years is to build a new Entry Door copying the existing interior door pattern, replace the alum. storms with wooden storms resembling the existing storms, build new wooden window screens, and make new "authentic style" trim for the parts of the house where the trim was either damaged or replaced poorly during the past reno's.

I thought the project was going to be relatively straight forward until I started looking at the Rail and Stile & Raised panel bits I thought I wanted and found out from the Freud Tech that my current setup wasn't adequate. I need to upgrade to a Variable Speed Router with more power - my current 1.75 HP - single speed Porter Cable has always been adequate in the past. Not only that my Incra Lift can only accommodate certain routers; I've narrowed my Router options down to the Bosch 1617 (2.25HP) and Milwaukee 5625-20 (3.5HP).

Looking forward, I'll need help in finalizing my new router set-up, how best to match up the bits to the profiles on the existing doors, windows and trim, finding the right bit set that nearly replicates the current construction style (i.e. I want long tenons incorporated at all the major joints) and finding the right bit suppliers with good quality bits (i.e. smooth finish and durable).
 

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Hello and welcome to the router forum, Peter
 

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Hello N/A and welcome to the forums...
both routers you are considering are good choices..
I know the Bosch to be outstanding and I haven't heard anything negative about the Milwaukee to speak of...
the Bosch will turn the larger panel bits w/ a bit of care but the Milwaukee will hardly breathe hard...

if you want to enhance your router knowledge we have some reading at this link you may find useful to you...
 

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Welcome to the forum Peter. You need to slow the router down to about 1/2 of full speed to run the large raised panel bits. You can adjust the speed of yours by plugging it into an aftermarket speed control. Rockler and MCLS both sell them as well as others. You'll still have an undersized router though. One member at least recommends using vertical raised panel bits where you put a tall fence on your table and run the panel through vertically instead of horizontally. The vertical RP bits take less power. I personally still am a little intimidated when I hear those large diameter bits spin up to speed.
 

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Give some consideration to the Triton TRA001. I have it in my table and really like it. It has a built in lift, is 3.1/4 hp, has some very nice safety locks. It is a bit heavy for me to handle freehand, which is why I kept my previous 1617s, which worked fine in the table, but was a bit hesitant with large door making bits.

Harry Sinclair on here turned me on to the Triton, and I'm very glad he did.

I also suggest that you take some time and look through all the Marc Sommerfeld videos on YouTube. He uses his own products, but isn't heavy handed about it. What's great is he was a commercial cabinet maker before he started SommerfeldTool, and watching how he works is an education in practical router use. He uses the Triton, so you get a sense of how well it works.

Both Sommerfeld and Freud now make matched bit sets, which means the shanks are exactly the same height, so when you set up the first bit in a door making set, the rest fall in line with no further adjustment. His company also makes EasySet jigs that account for the exact thickness of the wood you're using, which is great. The pix show the jigs, yellow for Sommerfeld, red for Freud. I have his bit sets, but I know the Freud are just as good.

I've also posted a link to his first part of making doors on YouTube.
I like these so much I bought the whole set of his videos, even though they are also on YouTube.

I'm recommending the Triton because you are going to be making a LOT of footage of the same parts, and having a strong router, good fence, good technique will all make your projects more consistent and easier to do.
 

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G'day Peter, welcome to the forum.
 

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Welcome to the forum Peter.
 

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Welcome to the forum Peter. I thought you said your retired but reading your posts suggests otherwise. Looks more like you simply changed jobs. That's a very enthusiastic list of "chores" you have to accomplish and all very possible. You obviously have some skills already or are very fast at picking up on how to do things. There's something about bringing something back to its original state that makes it even more special. The attention to detail and the amount of research.

I've worked in many homes (HVAC Tech retired) where the owner had just this goal in mind and while it takes longer it certainly showed in the final result and is always far more personal than most homes. Good luck in this journey. You'll find the help you need likely right here when needed.
 

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Welcome to the Router Forums Peter.

I like the Bosch 1617 but if you will be leaving the new router in the table I would consider getting the Milwaukee 5625-20 or the Triton TRA001.
 
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Thank-you. The articles are perfect for me, great reminders and excellent new learnings.

I decided to go with the Bosch 1617EVS Combo package, the deal gave me a plunger option almost for free, although I'm not sure if I will ever use it. To-date my router table set-up and my dedicated Mortiser have sufficed for my needs. The Bosch is compatible with my current Incra lift set-up which I like very much, and I'm betting the set-up will work for my window needs; which is my main short-term priority. The door project is about a 1.5 years away, and I'm hoping with a bit of practice on the windows that I can make it work on the future door; I might have to use Vertical Raised Panel Cutters. I'll practice with the Cabinet Verticals which I already have; I think my tall fence setup may work well.
 

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Thanks for the reply. I had a heritage restoration professional come to the house about a year ago; the city Planning department recommended the guy - the only person in the area doing this type of work. He estimated he needed a full year to do the restorations at $600 Canadian per day; if you do the math it isn't pretty. I had him come in for a day, we worked on a couple of double hungs and I picked his brains. I decided that once I puzzled out how to attack the jobs that I could easily execute my self. Plus I like doing this type of work and learning new skills and its tough watching someone work to standards that don't meet my expectations.
 
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