I've lost it - Having no planer, I'm tired of using the belt sander for thickness planing, not to mention the swirling dust - I know I saw a jig or setup for floating a router over material for thickness planing but now I can't put my finger on it - anybody got a link or plans for that?
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Basically, build a beefy sled to hold your router, making sure that you have more than the width of the stock you're planing on each side of the router. Then you need two supports of exactly the same height for each side of the stock you're planing. Then using a bowl bottom bit or a planing bit (the bigger the better) take light passes. You will probably still need a little bit of sanding when done.
If you use curved supports, you can use the same sort of technique to hollow out shallow chair seats, etc.
American woodworkers woodworking with the router has an example of this jig.
IT IS SLOW AND TAKES A LOT OF PATIENCE-- IT ALSO MAKES A MESS. But if you have complicated grain patterns, etc, the router does a great job.
If you use curved supports, you can use the same sort of technique to hollow out shallow chair seats, etc.
American woodworkers woodworking with the router has an example of this jig.
IT IS SLOW AND TAKES A LOT OF PATIENCE-- IT ALSO MAKES A MESS. But if you have complicated grain patterns, etc, the router does a great job.
Gilbear
I have saw one also but I don't recall where,but I had to LOL when it saw it.
The router can do many things but using for a thickness planing maybe a hard one.
You may want to look around for plans for a belt sander (16" wide belt)
I was going to make one and found all the parts I needed like the parts from a use conveyor belt (made to move boxes up 3ft high lift) from a scrap yard for 25.oo bucks.
With alum.drums and vbelt drive.
Then I sold all the parts to a mate and he made one, DAM and it worked great.
Just a thought
Bj
I have saw one also but I don't recall where,but I had to LOL when it saw it.
The router can do many things but using for a thickness planing maybe a hard one.
You may want to look around for plans for a belt sander (16" wide belt)
I was going to make one and found all the parts I needed like the parts from a use conveyor belt (made to move boxes up 3ft high lift) from a scrap yard for 25.oo bucks.
With alum.drums and vbelt drive.
Then I sold all the parts to a mate and he made one, DAM and it worked great.
Just a thought
Bj
BJ - I saw a plan for making the sander like you mentioned recently but, wow, it looked complicated - other problem I have is very limited space, with emphasis on very (maybe I should just get rid of a car!) - but appreciate the suggestion and will look at that again.
Doug - What you're describing sounds like the kind of thing I was thinking of - seemed pretty simple - maybe I'll just play around with that idea a bit and see what materializes - I KNOW I saw a jig plan somewhere - with all the links I've got, you'd think I could hit it - curved sled sounds interesting too!
Doug - What you're describing sounds like the kind of thing I was thinking of - seemed pretty simple - maybe I'll just play around with that idea a bit and see what materializes - I KNOW I saw a jig plan somewhere - with all the links I've got, you'd think I could hit it - curved sled sounds interesting too!
Gilbear
Just a note.
Cars need to use the floor but some tools can be hung from the rafters and then pulled down in to place when you need to use them.
Garage door springs work great for this type of job. (the old type 2 " dia.ones) or a pull down ladder type setup.
"it looked complicated" but it's not.
Belt sanders are not cheap as you know.
Have a good one.
Bj
Just a note.
Cars need to use the floor but some tools can be hung from the rafters and then pulled down in to place when you need to use them.
Garage door springs work great for this type of job. (the old type 2 " dia.ones) or a pull down ladder type setup.
"it looked complicated" but it's not.
Belt sanders are not cheap as you know.
Have a good one.
Bj
Gilbear
The Mar/Apr edition Vol. 15 Issue 86 of Shopnotes has an interesting project on " How To Build Your Own Thickness Sander " which would solve your dilema.
I've been eyeing this article since I first read about it, and it is on my things to build list, when I get the opportunity. It looks fairly simple and can be modified to operate on its own power source. ( In the article, they are using a table saw as the workbench and to power the drum sander )
You can see a picture of it by going to www.shopnotes.com website or going to the following:
http://www.shopnotes.com/main/86-thicknessSander.html
If you have some time, this may be your answer and it can be built economically, using odds and ends you probably have kicking around the shop. LOL
Check it out!!!
Ric
The Mar/Apr edition Vol. 15 Issue 86 of Shopnotes has an interesting project on " How To Build Your Own Thickness Sander " which would solve your dilema.
I've been eyeing this article since I first read about it, and it is on my things to build list, when I get the opportunity. It looks fairly simple and can be modified to operate on its own power source. ( In the article, they are using a table saw as the workbench and to power the drum sander )
You can see a picture of it by going to www.shopnotes.com website or going to the following:
http://www.shopnotes.com/main/86-thicknessSander.html
If you have some time, this may be your answer and it can be built economically, using odds and ends you probably have kicking around the shop. LOL
Check it out!!!
Ric OK folks, you're gettin me thinkin again - thanks! I will take a look at the Thickness sander again - and look at my rafters in a new way too - right now they're my materials storage - both above and racks hanging below.
I still want to play with the planer jig as well though.
Any more options, folks?
BJ, how fast was your buddy's sander able to take down stock? That is the plan that looked complicated to me, but maybe I'm just overly simple!
I still want to play with the planer jig as well though.
Any more options, folks?
BJ, how fast was your buddy's sander able to take down stock? That is the plan that looked complicated to me, but maybe I'm just overly simple!
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Hi Gilbear
I just couldn't do much without my planer!
Here's what you were looking for, it's pretty basic:
http://www.leestyron.com/sled.php
~Julie~
I just couldn't do much without my planer!
Here's what you were looking for, it's pretty basic:
http://www.leestyron.com/sled.php
~Julie~
Ric
That one looks good
Here's a link to the PDF file.(layout/cutting details)
http://www.shopnotes.com/main/pdf/086-thickness-sander.pdf
I just may try this one.(quick and easy one)
Thanks
Bj
That one looks good
Here's a link to the PDF file.(layout/cutting details)
http://www.shopnotes.com/main/pdf/086-thickness-sander.pdf
I just may try this one.(quick and easy one)
Thanks
Bj
Gilbear
Here's what you are looking for!!
The Vol. 4 Issue 21 of Shopnotes has a 4 page an article titled " Router Thicknessing Jig " which uses the router to plane boards on a adjustable platform bed similar to that mentioned by Doug with a few modifications.
Modifications include a clamping system, adjustable width up to 15-3/4" wide, and carriage support for the router.
They use a 1" dia. 1/2 ' shank bottom cleaning bit to achieve the cut.
If you don't have that issue, I'll see if I can somehow copy this article and email it to you. (You didn't hear that, right??)
Ric
Here's what you are looking for!!
The Vol. 4 Issue 21 of Shopnotes has a 4 page an article titled " Router Thicknessing Jig " which uses the router to plane boards on a adjustable platform bed similar to that mentioned by Doug with a few modifications.
Modifications include a clamping system, adjustable width up to 15-3/4" wide, and carriage support for the router.
They use a 1" dia. 1/2 ' shank bottom cleaning bit to achieve the cut.
If you don't have that issue, I'll see if I can somehow copy this article and email it to you. (You didn't hear that, right??)
Ric Gilbear
"BJ, how fast was your buddy's sander able to take down stock?"
Quick when he use 36grit. paper and real nice with the 150 grit. paper.
He got the sand paper rolls from http://www.Grizzly.com. (H4776 and G2789 and the H4424 )
He use cardboard tubes to make it quick and easy switch out. from Home Depot "carpet cardboard paper tubes" he also tried PVC pipe but that's didn't work to well, to slick on the inside.
Bj
"BJ, how fast was your buddy's sander able to take down stock?"
Quick when he use 36grit. paper and real nice with the 150 grit. paper.
He got the sand paper rolls from http://www.Grizzly.com. (H4776 and G2789 and the H4424 )
He use cardboard tubes to make it quick and easy switch out. from Home Depot "carpet cardboard paper tubes" he also tried PVC pipe but that's didn't work to well, to slick on the inside.
Bj
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Here is a cool simple sander that I think I will get/make...
http://www.stockroomsupply.com/V_Drum_Sander.php
I have other sanding topics on my website...
(toward the bottom)
http://woodworkstuff.net/woodidxjigs.html
http://www.stockroomsupply.com/V_Drum_Sander.php
I have other sanding topics on my website...
(toward the bottom)
http://woodworkstuff.net/woodidxjigs.html
Thanks Joe
That's a neat setup
I was going to build the floor model (( http://www.woodcentral.com/cgi-bin/readarticle.pl?dir=powertools&file=articles_528.shtml ))
But I think I will get the 18" kit and the sanding Mob(s).
Neat stuff...
I now use the link belts on most of my equipment and they are great.
http://www.onlinewoodshow.com/show/company.php?number=20102&cat=1&prod=D1810
http://www.onlinewoodshow.com/show/company.php?number=20102&cat=3&prod=SM600
http://www.stockroomsupply.com/
Plans Below ▼
https://www.stockroomsupply.com/Drum_Sander_Plans.php
Bj
That's a neat setup
I was going to build the floor model (( http://www.woodcentral.com/cgi-bin/readarticle.pl?dir=powertools&file=articles_528.shtml ))
But I think I will get the 18" kit and the sanding Mob(s).
Neat stuff...
I now use the link belts on most of my equipment and they are great.
http://www.onlinewoodshow.com/show/company.php?number=20102&cat=1&prod=D1810
http://www.onlinewoodshow.com/show/company.php?number=20102&cat=3&prod=SM600
http://www.stockroomsupply.com/
Plans Below ▼
https://www.stockroomsupply.com/Drum_Sander_Plans.php
Bj
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Hi Bob,
I was thinking of the 18" drum also... primarily because I could get small box pieces, etc. over the slot & sand them where the larger slots would make it more difficult if even possible. (I even got to thinking about a jig placed over the drum for very small pieces! )
At one time, I was thinking of scrounging the parts, pillow blocks, shaft, pulleys, etc. & even making the drum out of individual cut circles, etc. ... BUT, recently, I figured it wasn't really worth the effort as well as taking a huge chance that it wouldn't work good (as good as with their parts). So, I've decided to just get The Works kit for the 18" unit.
That way, most of the critical stuff will be done for me!!
It has been a long time since seeing the Mop sanders... thank you for bringing those to my attention!! They're cool too!! Although I couldn't find the Dremel sized goodies on their site... guess I'll have to call them... The 6" combo of 120 / 220 looks good to me.
They used to have another video, that I thought was better than this one... showed the ease of changing drum grits, etc. and even setting up more than one grit on the same drum!! This is COOL stuff!!
Caution... the prices, shown at the bottom of the videos, are Canadian... US$ are LESS!! I'm glad I noticed that!! (cause I thought it was getting a little Pricey... More reasonable with the US$ price!)
Keep us up to date on your progress... OK? I will do the same.
I was thinking of the 18" drum also... primarily because I could get small box pieces, etc. over the slot & sand them where the larger slots would make it more difficult if even possible. (I even got to thinking about a jig placed over the drum for very small pieces!
)At one time, I was thinking of scrounging the parts, pillow blocks, shaft, pulleys, etc. & even making the drum out of individual cut circles, etc. ... BUT, recently, I figured it wasn't really worth the effort as well as taking a huge chance that it wouldn't work good (as good as with their parts). So, I've decided to just get The Works kit for the 18" unit.
That way, most of the critical stuff will be done for me!!
It has been a long time since seeing the Mop sanders... thank you for bringing those to my attention!! They're cool too!! Although I couldn't find the Dremel sized goodies on their site... guess I'll have to call them... The 6" combo of 120 / 220 looks good to me.
They used to have another video, that I thought was better than this one... showed the ease of changing drum grits, etc. and even setting up more than one grit on the same drum!! This is COOL stuff!!
Caution... the prices, shown at the bottom of the videos, are Canadian... US$ are LESS!! I'm glad I noticed that!! (cause I thought it was getting a little Pricey... More reasonable with the US$ price!)
Keep us up to date on your progress... OK? I will do the same.
Hi Joe
Will do, the 18" kit and the 6" mob is on the way
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Will do, the 18" kit and the 6" mob is on the way
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Thanks for shopping with Stockroom Supply. We'd like to confirm your order that was received on November 13, 2006
Your total purchase came to $232.90
Your order will be shipped to the following address as soon as possible.
Again, Bob , thanks for choosing Stockroom Supply. We look forward to serving you again in the future!
Sincerely
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Bj
Hi Joe
Well I got the kit and the new motor,it's 90% done and so far it's great I did rework some of it (most of it motor mount,motor placement,roller placement,roller mounting,vac.system,power switch,etc.) so I can raise it and lower it with hand crank up font and that has been a real challenge with engineering nightmare using a scisser mechanism and rollers
It's works better than my planer and it is 18" wide on top of that.
I also reworked the cabinet so it's a floor type now.
By the way here's a link to the small mob sanders
Mini Mops
http://www.stockroomsupply.com/The_Mini_Mop.php
http://www.stockroomsupply.com/Products.php
Bj
Well I got the kit and the new motor
,it's 90% done and so far it's great I did rework some of it (most of it motor mount,motor placement,roller placement,roller mounting,vac.system,power switch,etc.) so I can raise it and lower it with hand crank up font and that has been a real challenge with engineering nightmare using a scisser mechanism and rollers It's works better than my planer and it is 18" wide on top of that
.I also reworked the cabinet so it's a floor type now.
By the way here's a link to the small mob sanders
Mini Mops
http://www.stockroomsupply.com/The_Mini_Mop.php
http://www.stockroomsupply.com/Products.php
Bj
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Hi Bob,
Sounds good!! I had found the small mop sanders... thank you...
Glad to hear it's better than a planer!! I was hoping for that... except, you would have a harder time getting multiple pieces the same thickness... you would have to measure after each pass as it gets closer... yes?
I was going to experiment setting the Finest grit a little lower than they say to see if it would be easier to control the thickness, etc. Set the Finest and the others follow... right?
What is the smallest piece you can sand over the top? (without a jig)
Looking forward to seeing pictures of it...
I'm close to ordering... trying to decide on everything I want so I get FREE Shipping this time rather than building to another $100 order!
How do you like your Mop sander? They sound real cool too... I'm leaning toward 6" and 1" or 1.5" mops... and of course you must get more grits, etc. right?!
It snow-balls into more than you expected after you get the basics decided upon... more fun!
Thanks for the report... looking forward to the next one...
Have a nice Thanksgiving!
Sounds good!! I had found the small mop sanders... thank you...
Glad to hear it's better than a planer!! I was hoping for that... except, you would have a harder time getting multiple pieces the same thickness... you would have to measure after each pass as it gets closer... yes?
I was going to experiment setting the Finest grit a little lower than they say to see if it would be easier to control the thickness, etc. Set the Finest and the others follow... right?
What is the smallest piece you can sand over the top? (without a jig)
Looking forward to seeing pictures of it...
I'm close to ordering... trying to decide on everything I want so I get FREE Shipping this time rather than building to another $100 order!
How do you like your Mop sander? They sound real cool too... I'm leaning toward 6" and 1" or 1.5" mops... and of course you must get more grits, etc. right?!
It snow-balls into more than you expected after you get the basics decided upon... more fun!
Thanks for the report... looking forward to the next one...
Have a nice Thanksgiving!
HI Joe
"you would have to measure after each pass as it gets closer" YES,that would be true because there is not a go or no go gage so to speak like a planer...
"What is the smallest piece you can sand over the top" so far I have use 1/4" thick and 1" wide and about 12" long, you can also use it like a jointer, put sock on it's side and just push it over the drum and it comes out great just like a jointer.
"How do you like your Mop sander" I got the 6" kit and they give you all you need plus some to make a mop for the drill press , but I have not made the mob for the drill press yet still need to find a 1/2" x 4" bolt to use for it, the standard one works great for raised panels and moding plus other jobs.
I killed the scisser mechanism ,about 6:30 AM today and I'm going back to the hinge today sometime, just to much work and it only needs to move up and down about 1/4" max both ways.
I Forgot the base rule make it simple... and it took me 2 days to make and weld up the scisser frame , just a bit over kill on that one but I can use it for a bike jack .
Have a nice Thanksgiving also JOE
Bj
"you would have to measure after each pass as it gets closer" YES,that would be true because there is not a go or no go gage so to speak like a planer...
"What is the smallest piece you can sand over the top" so far I have use 1/4" thick and 1" wide and about 12" long, you can also use it like a jointer, put sock on it's side and just push it over the drum and it comes out great just like a jointer.
"How do you like your Mop sander" I got the 6" kit and they give you all you need plus some to make a mop for the drill press , but I have not made the mob for the drill press yet still need to find a 1/2" x 4" bolt to use for it, the standard one works great for raised panels and moding plus other jobs.
I killed the scisser mechanism ,about 6:30 AM today and I'm going back to the hinge today sometime, just to much work and it only needs to move up and down about 1/4" max both ways.
I Forgot the base rule make it simple...
and it took me 2 days to make and weld up the scisser frame , just a bit over kill on that one but I can use it for a bike jack .Have a nice Thanksgiving also JOE
Bj
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