Have you looked for something used?
Yes, I'm concerned about getting a used table. I don't know what I would be looking for to see if everything is there and is OK. I would feel comfortable buying a used router though.Have you looked for something used?
Note my long response. But I forgot to mention why I am not a fan of cheaper models such as what you're considering. If you look around the forum, you'll see a lot of folks who have such routers seeking replacement parts, and many are requests for what used to be name brands. Such parts are just not available. The makers produce these machines in fairly limited quantities, and that goes for parts as well. I've suggested an alternative, but wanted to let you know so you can take that into consideration.Yes, I'm concerned about getting a used table. I don't know what I would be looking for to see if everything is there and is OK. I would feel comfortable buying a used router though.
Consider many tables have been bought and replaced with other tables. Some buy, then build. Some build, then buy.Yes, I'm concerned about getting a used table. I don't know what I would be looking for to see if everything is there and is OK. I would feel comfortable buying a used router though.
Is there a particular brand or model of table that I should look for? Are there certain features? Again, I'm looking for a tabletop unit. I don't have much space to store it.Consider many tables have been bought and replaced with other tables. Some buy, then build. Some build, then buy.
I would make a good sweep of local craigslist, marketplace, etc...I rarely buy new when I can get a reasonable deal used..
I appreciate your response. It looks like there are units to be had refurbished for under $150 for the fixed base only. This could work with the constraints of my budget depending on what I do for the table. I'd spring for the 1165 base at a later date depending on how much I use the table. I'm not at a point to build a table. I'm currently wanting to put a nice edge on some shelving that I have. If I was skilled, I wouldn't even need a table. I just felt that I could do a better job at my skill level with a table than without. My goal is to have a unit that I can pull out of the garage (at most) a few times a year to work on different projects. I'm not trying to become a woodworker or pick up a hobby, just wanting a tool for a project that will then be available to use again at a later date.Note my long response. But I forgot to mention why I am not a fan of cheaper models such as what you're considering. If you look around the forum, you'll see a lot of folks who have such routers seeking replacement parts, and many are requests for what used to be name brands. Such parts are just not available. The makers produce these machines in fairly limited quantities, and that goes for parts as well. I've suggested an alternative, but wanted to let you know so you can take that into consideration.
It looks like Oak Park is closing and doesn't have that table anymore. Oak Park Enterprises Ltd. - Router Table, Router, Router Bits, Router Jigs, Router AccessoriesHi @jankdc welcome to the forum..
Your table can be as simple as this Oak Park table on a collapsible work mate...
Hi, Not sure what other tools you have, but it doesn't take very much to make a table top you can easily put away vertically, or even hang on a hook on the wall. I suggested getting a motor only and the under table base. I was unable to find a motor only, however. You want to make sure the router has a soft start, because without it, hand held, it jerks on startup, which is quite dangerous, You also want to make sure it has variable speed. I have not seen a cheap router with those features.Is there a particular brand or model of table that I should look for? Are there certain features? Again, I'm looking for a tabletop unit. I don't have much space to store it.
I appreciate your response. It looks like there are units to be had refurbished for under $150 for the fixed base only. This could work with the constraints of my budget depending on what I do for the table. I'd spring for the 1165 base at a later date depending on how much I use the table. I'm not at a point to build a table. I'm currently wanting to put a nice edge on some shelving that I have. If I was skilled, I wouldn't even need a table. I just felt that I could do a better job at my skill level with a table than without. My goal is to have a unit that I can pull out of the garage (at most) a few times a year to work on different projects. I'm not trying to become a woodworker or pick up a hobby, just wanting a tool for a project that will then be available to use again at a later date.
The second one that I linked had a variable speed and soft start. Plus it comes with a table. I get that I would want to upgrade if I start to do a lot of woodworking. The benefit of this one is that it's under $150, and readily available. I can just pick up from my local Menards.You want to make sure the router has a soft start, because without it, hand held, it jerks on startup, which is quite dangerous, You also want to make sure it has variable speed. I have not seen a cheap router with those features.
I haven't been able to find either of these used in my area. Mostly I am finding old craftsman, a skil, and roybi table. There are a couple that look complete, but most are missing at least the miter guage.I have not used these products,but hear good things about them. BOSCH AND Kreg...
I like Rebelwork Woodworking's suggestion. Also, if you haven't already got one, there are several books on routers which include basic use and maintenance, jigs and guides for a variety of work and buying new or buying used routers, and what to look for when buying one.Have you looked for something used?
I've had pretty good success with a Rockler table that I've upgraded over the years, and a DeWalt router kit that came with three bases (DW618B3) so I have flexibility when the router isn't used in the table. Bosch makes great tools, but they do come at a premium price. I see that Rockler tables have gotten pretty expensive these days, though. I started with the basic stand, basic aluminum plate, and the cheapest fence, and I later invested in a better fence, a manual screw drive lift plate, and lockable casters so I can roll the table out of the way when needed. As I am an amateur woodworker, it doesn't get used very often, but it's nice to have when I need it. You have to set your budget and remember that more money will generally get you better quality stuff. Good luck!The second one that I linked had a variable speed and soft start. Plus it comes with a table. I get that I would want to upgrade if I start to do a lot of woodworking. The benefit of this one is that it's under $150, and readily available. I can just pick up from my local Menards.
The second choice is that I go with a refurbished Bosch model that you recommended, then the Skil MDF Router table. This is the same as the Bosch RA1141. This combination is just past my budget, but not a big deal. the real question is this combination worth 2x the price of the Performax from Menards.
I get that I "should" make my own table, but I feel more comfortable buying a premade table at this point. If I pursue using a router more than a couple of times a year, I'll take on that project.
I haven't been able to find either of these used in my area. Mostly I am finding old craftsman, a skil, and roybi table. There are a couple that look complete, but most are missing at least the miter guage.
OP here. I'm sorry that you found my questions irritating. If I knew what I don't know, I wouldn't be asking these questions. I looked into building a table before posting here, and I didn't think that it made sense for my skill level. After Tom's (really in depth) reply, I spent hours looking at youtube videos on building a table that fell into two categories: 1. Ones that were beyond my skill or my current tools (many needed a plunge router and one a biscuit joiner). 2. Looked so simple that I feared that they would be dangerous for someone without any skills to learn on.I have 2 veins to my comment: 1) Tom, your reply is so darn good that it should be put in the “Sticky” section under “Beginners start here,” and then the sticky should also include the equally important “DIY Table For Beginners” reply by another gentleman, whose name I cannot see or remember at this moment — great stuff!
Here’s the 2nd vein:
I find these types of questions are very irritating, because A) The OP is fully aware that they are asking for layperson guidance specifically from experts, and not because they want advice on how to get good at the topic, but rather how to remain barely functional at it; B) they set ill-advised budgets for gear that the experts don’t bother with, because cheaping out (junk shopping is different from bargain shopping) becomes its own barrier to success; C) they create ridiculously Byzantine combinations and scenarios to which they become married, and then shun the learned advice which they asked for!
OP, are you kidding? When I was a kid, my grandfather told me not to bother asking questions that I didn’t want to hear the answers to. Way back then, I also learned to spend my money right the first time. As I got older, I learned that often, there is no right answer to the question, so I would need to go ahead and make my best stab at it…all on my own.
On this topic, OP you can take the learned advice and spend more than you planned (by being patient and saving up a bit longer) or you can go against the advice and probably spend more because the missing tool quality will give inferior results and likely waste more materials.
I realize this is a harsh response; I get it, I haven’t forgotten that we all start at the beginning. The problem is there have just been too many of these same sort of noob questions lately that just wouldn’t be asked if the noobs did their homework, had more backbone, and weren’t so lazy.
Thanks, I was in Pittsburgh today and was able visit the Rockler store. I agree, that is really nice stuff. I can see myself wanting the larger table with folding base if I pursue woodworking. I spent a bunch of time checking out the benchtop table. It seems very nice, but sparse. With adding plates and extras, it could easily be more than twice the Performax combination before I even purchase a router. One concern that I have is it seems very tall. Too tall to put on a bench and too short to put on the floor.I've had pretty good success with a Rockler table that I've upgraded over the years, and a DeWalt router kit that came with three bases (DW618B3) so I have flexibility when the router isn't used in the table. Bosch makes great tools, but they do come at a premium price. I see that Rockler tables have gotten pretty expensive these days, though. I started with the basic stand, basic aluminum plate, and the cheapest fence, and I later invested in a better fence, a manual screw drive lift plate, and lockable casters so I can roll the table out of the way when needed. As I am an amateur woodworker, it doesn't get used very often, but it's nice to have when I need it. You have to set your budget and remember that more money will generally get you better quality stuff. Good luck!