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Table saw or router table for best box joint ?

17K views 18 replies 13 participants last post by  MAFoElffen  
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Guys I was looking at Oliver's sled for making box joints and it got me thinking about whether there is any advantage between using a TS or RT for making these joints , like can one make a more accurate tighter tolerance joint?
When it comes to blind dovetail joints I suspect the routers the only option , but with box joints is it a tie, or is there less tear out or efficiency when comparing one to another etc
 
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In my view, the fixturing options are more plentiful on the table saw.
Moreover, the saw's efficiency is far greater than a kitchen router's.
And the cast/ground flatness of the table saw surface is a natural for better indexing and work travel back & forth. The router is/was an after thought.
The box joint, historically, was a saw cut. The router folks should have left it that way. The most labored cut for a router is a pathway cut, where both sides and bottom of the cut are wasted in one shot. The cutter is squirming, kicking and screaming for another job, like trimming.
 
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Most table saw blades do not leave as clean or flat a cut as a router on the bottom of the cut. I prefer to use a router and my Incra.
 
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I have to agree with Brad, but the reason for this for me anyway is that I have never tried any other approach to cutting box joints and the results that I get with the Incra LS system are, IMHO, about as good as one would ever expect or want. Once again, it's a matter of personal choice, the tools that one have and maybe one's personal standards and application requirements.

Jerry
 
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The right blades on a TS will leave a flat bottom and clean sides. I'm with Pat on this one. Per foot of cut the TS is the cheapest tool in the shop to use and faster than other cutting methods. Despite this being a router forum, I don't recommend using a router where I believe the TS is a better tool to use.
 
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I challenge anyone to cut faster box joints on a table saw than I can on my router table, from set up to completion.
Besides getting cleaner cuts, I can do it far more accurately.
 
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Oliver; just to clarify your spacing system, do you centre your first finger, either as a finger or a space? whatever is left over at the ends will be the same at both ends?
It wouldn't really matter in that case if the end joints were slightly larger or smaller than the intermediate ones would it? (As long as it looks balanced I mean.)
 
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Dan, if by balanced you mean there is the same size finger/space on each edge of the joint, then the answer is no. The fingers are indexed from one edge (let's call it the top) and the bottom edge could end up as a variable-sized finger /space as you can see in the photo.

Malcolm (see his post above) clearly has a great system for making beautiful, centered box joints ... plus superb craftsmanship that causes envy.
 

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Hi Rick, guess it depends if you are doing the job once or if you are going to be doing them over a period and you can leave the equipment set up. I have a double router table set up for box joints and all I have to do is set the bit height, clamp the boards and turn on the router. Accurate all the time. I am very please with this set up. I'm sure table saw folks would say the same with their setup. Malcolm / Kentucky USA
 

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I use quality spiral router bits and I don't get any squirming, kicking and screaming. Since I cut box joints all the time I leave two routers set up for the two different joints. To cut box joints all I have to do is set the bit height, clamp the board and turn on the router. Everything else is ready to go and the joints are accurate every time. Malcolm / Kentucky USA
 

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Just a point to clarify use of the box-joint jig. First you cut one side. Then you cut the opposite side the same way. Then you register one side on the pin with the adjoining board (end) against it. This cuts the first opening on the second board so it will fit to the first. Take away the first board and carry on with the second. Obviously you must ensure you keep track of sides and ends and bottoms and tops. I think I have that right but someone will correct me if I haven't.
 
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Not to step on Oliver's toes, but I have Freud's SBOX8 box joint blades (which I think are the only ones they make. The two blades each have slightly offset teeth, so they give a 1/4" kerf side by side one way, and 3/8" when placed the other way.

I've also found they give smooth, absolutely flat bottomed cuts. They're a bit pricey, but I was able to snag a set at Sears a while back for <$30.
 
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Thank you for all the great information guys :)

Malcolm I was in fact heading towards building a dual router table , and am collecting parts till spring for the big build .
It's quite an expense to absorb at first , but I think the outcome is going to justify it . I could have done it cheaply but I really have my mind made up on what I want .
 
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A member mentioned that they though that dovetails could not be done on a table saw. They can.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChCPX7G3u_s
Table saw dovetail joint jig
Table saw dovetail jig
Building a Shop-Made Table Saw Dovetail Sled Jig / Rockler How-to
...and much more than anyone would ever want to see unless they were looking for it.

Next, on finger joint jigs... A percentage of box joint jigs that you can use on router table, you can also use on a table saw.

Incra iBox jig includes instructions to use on a table saw...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kFiVJzigMKs
And you can use the Incra Ultimate system to cut box joints using the Incra LS on a table saw... I can use my Incra Ultimate router fence mounted to the sliding table on my panel saw to cut finger joints. The indexing is the same as it it was on my router table... but calculated to width of the TFT or finish dado stack being used.

You can do a lot of things with the tools you have, if you open your mind to the possibilities. (And a lot of jigs you can make yourself.)