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First post. I finally pulled the trigger on a nice router. I had to shiplap and build a 14ft floor for my camper.

The router is a brand new Metabo KM12VC.

From the first time I turned it on, there was a slight vibration at the spindle. It's not crazy, but it's there. When I was shiplapping with my 2.25 inch 4 winged bit, you could really feel it.

So, is that normal in routers to have a slight vibration? I'm imaging it's supposed to be like a cnc spindle with <0.001" runout. Is that accurate?
 

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Hello and welcome to forums N/A...

just in case, let's get you started on some of the how to's..
we put together a touch of education over here at this link...
enjoy....

is the vibration there w/ or w/o a bit in it???...
before or after the shiplapping???...

of course we need to know how large are the shiplaps, how many passed you made to get there and what species of material???
what's the make and model of bit you used???
 

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The vibrations are without and with a bit. The actual chuck vibrates a small amount. I've not put a marker on it to see the high spot yet, but it vibrates the tip of my finger when I put the tip on the shaft.

The bit is an Amana Tool 45527 Carbide Tipped shiplap and flattening bit. The vibration happens with and without this bit and another diamond fiberglass cutting bit.

The cut is half of a 3/4" thickness plywood sheet. I did it in one pass for depth and 4ft x 6 inches. It actually turned out great for not using a whole table setup, but the vibration was before this procedure.
 

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I would suspect the bearing..
and what you are feeling is runout...
warranty the unit..
the chuck is called a collet...
are you using a muscle chuck???

you gonna tell us who you are and where yur from???...
or do we keep calling you N/A???
 
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The runout is not crazy but it's there. I'll call the company on Monday. I'm fron Clarksville TN.

How disappointing. Metabo is supposed to be better then this.
 

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The runout is not crazy but it's there. I'll call the company on Monday. I'm fron Clarksville TN.

How disappointing. Metabo is supposed to be better then this.
Metabo when they were German were some serious industrial tools...

Hitachi acquired the German Metabo Tool Company some time back (2016) and went Asian...
and then Hitachi Power Tools changed it's name to Metabo HPT...
in 2017 that whole mess was sucked up by a Chinese holding company (KKR)...

ditch the Metabo and go w/ a reconditioned Bosch 1617EVSPK....

BTW.. do you still wish to be known as N/A???
 
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I have 3 Hitachis and love all three. I also have a Metabo jig saw that's 20 years old at least. It is a step above the rest of the market. Your router shouldn't be doing that.
 

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I have 3 Hitachis and love all three. I also have a Metabo jig saw that's 20 years old at least. It is a step above the rest of the market. Your router shouldn't be doing that.
his router isn't the old real deal Metabo any more...
I have older than old Metabos, outstanding tools and bullet proof...
wanna bet he's dealing w/ those infamous Chinese bearings here too???
 

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Well, I initiated a return. I was hoping the metabo was still quality like some of their other products, but not so. I almost bought a festool, but didn't since the reviews were so mixed.

Is there a router out there that's got cnc spec runout? I'd like to have both sides of my bit cut material and not agrevate my carpet tunnels!
 

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Well, I initiated a return. I was hoping the Metabo was still quality like some of their other products, but not so. I almost bought a Festool, but didn't since the reviews were so mixed.

Is there a router out there that's got cnc spec runout? I'd like to have both sides of my bit cut material and not aggravate my carpet tunnels!
will you be putting it in a table, CNC or using it free hand???...

I'm real partial to Bosch...
PC isn't what it use to be.. not since they were bought up and went Asian...
My Bosch outlasted my DeWalts by a long margin...
I have Makita...

So, if you were to buy an all around router...
1... what would you look for in a router...
2... What is your favorite router...
3... Why...

Picking out a tool(s)...

1st and most important item, look to the company...
evaluate their CS/TS, will they step up to the plate should there be any issues...
look to see if they have a planned obsolesce program in force...
there's no sense in buying something that can't be fixed in a few years or parts to be had...
what will the company and their product do for me...
figure out if they will respect you in the morning...

Next the product...
is it quality???...
will it have a long productive life???...
will it do more than I need it to. Go the extra mile and not complain or break???....
is it a good value???...
will it protect/accent my bottom line???...
will it go/be obsolete or become disposable in short order...
after the purchase; will there be intangible costs connected to it???
tools that don't cut the mustard, suffer down time, hurt production and the bottom line need to left on the store's shelf...

Online reviews...

not too much...
read a few too many that my VOE said other wise...
I prefer to use and abuse different brands and evaluate them myself and I pay attention at large job sites as to who has what and what, if any, issues they are having......
the testers should eval a tool and then put it in production mode for a few years and then do another eval..

VOE says Bosch fills the bill and then some...
2nd to none CS/TS and support...
Their tools are real work horses...
and they last, (they give the Energizer Bunny a complex) for a long time...
most importantly, they protect the bottom line...
planned obsolesce isn't an issue w/ Bosch as it is w/ so many other manufactures and come w/ al lot less grief...
their tools last, even for decades after hard heavy use..
they make tools that protect your bottom line which makes them a very good investment...
what's not to like???...
Besides being comfortable to use routers, they are feature rich, have excellent bullet proof soft start, finite depth adjustment, quality collets, and so much more...
I think and believe Bosch to be an excellent outstanding company w/ superb products come routers...

Keep in mind, that saving some money now just may cost you a lot more down the road... So, do yourself a huge favor and get Bosch...
Bosch consistently scores high in/on all categories of quality, CS/TS, reliability and support, and they are as close as a phone call and your mail box
 

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I'd like to have both sides of my bit cut material!

simultaneously???
what exactly are you doing???

let's get you started on the how to's.....
we put together a touch of education over here at this link...
 

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I'm also a fan of Bosch, in particular the 1617 in the kit. You should not feel any significant vibration in a new router. A reconditioned Bosch when available is as good as a new one, but costs a little less.
 

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There is a Setup video on the Musclechuck website to determine how to position their Chuck with the least amount of runout - dunno if that can be applied to normal collets (doubt it) but this isn’t worth tolerating if your can exchange or return the unit. And yes, Bosch is Boss among routers...
 

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simultaneously???
what exactly are you doing???

let's get you started on the how to's.....
we put together a touch of education over here at this link...
Before you get to insulting my intelligence, read what you wrote man. How can a bit cut with both sides simultaneously?? Think about what I said. If a cutting head of a bit if protruding further out than the other(s) due to a wobble, that single cutting edge would do the cutting while the other(s) would barely cut or not even graze the material depending on how hard you're pushing (feed rate). So, by my saying one side it clean and only one side is cutting, you know both my feed rate is slow enough to not have the negative side of the runout doing much work and the runout is enough for there to be this type of problem. Don't be too judgy too quick bud, I'm new to the forum, not working with machines.
 

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Well, I initiated a return. I was hoping the Metabo was still quality like some of their other products, but not so. I almost bought a Festool, but didn't since the reviews were so mixed.

Is there a router out there that's got cnc spec runout? I'd like to have both sides of my bit cut material and not aggravate my carpet tunnels!
will you be putting it in a table, CNC or using it free hand???...

I'm real partial to Bosch...
PC isn't what it use to be.. not since
Well written!

I don't use routers daily, but I've got a few projects coming up that I need one for, and one I decided to get one I suddenly found many more projects! That said, I don't generally buy junk tools. I like to buy quality so when I use it next I won't be annoyed with myself for buying something cheap. I've done that when I was younger, once, and swore never again. It's also been a long time since I've been on a job site now that I got my 2nd degree and am in the medical field.

Most of my other tools are ingersoll rand, Milwaukee, knipex, jet, festool etc. I have a bosch jigsaw and it is surprisingly good. It's not a mafel, but it's also not close to $1k. Is great for what it is.

I don't mind going with the braintrust on this forum and buying a bosch. There was a link to a reconditioned unit up top. Is that the general consensus winner of the router world?

It will be free hand and a table when I build one. As for CNC, maybe but I doubt it. I need to buy a small home tabletop mill, but that's some time off. My wife let's me buy (expensive) tools when their use justifies their expense, ie I can do it with the tool and material for cheaper or close to the cost of hiring it out.
 

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Welcome aboard MetaBow,

I also like the Bosch 1617 and bought the kit that includes both plunge and fixed base.

Stick, thanks for the Metabo clarification. I also was under the impression that they were HIGH END tools.
 

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Welcome aboard MetaBow,

I also like the Bosch 1617 and bought the kit that includes both plunge and fixed base.

Stick, thanks for the Metabo clarification. I also was under the impression that they were HIGH END tools.
Thank man! I was under the same impression. My dad loves metabo and the ones he has are very HQ. Mostly grinders and the like.
 

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Before you get to insulting my intelligence, read what you wrote man. How can a bit cut with both sides simultaneously?? Think about what I said. If a cutting head of a bit if protruding further out than the other(s) due to a wobble, that single cutting edge would do the cutting while the other(s) would barely cut or not even graze the material depending on how hard you're pushing (feed rate). So, by my saying one side it clean and only one side is cutting, you know both my feed rate is slow enough to not have the negative side of the runout doing much work and the runout is enough for there to be this type of problem. Don't be too judgy too quick bud, I'm new to the forum, not working with machines.
I apologize...
 
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Before you get to insulting my intelligence, read what you wrote man. How can a bit cut with both sides simultaneously?? Think about what I said. If a cutting head of a bit if protruding further out than the other(s) due to a wobble, that single cutting edge would do the cutting while the other(s) would barely cut or not even graze the material depending on how hard you're pushing (feed rate). So, by my saying one side it clean and only one side is cutting, you know both my feed rate is slow enough to not have the negative side of the runout doing much work and the runout is enough for there to be this type of problem. Don't be too judgy too quick bud, I'm new to the forum, not working with machines.
I apologize...
No worries. I get underestimated occasionally in new forums. I'd rather be underestimated and over deliver then the other way around.
 
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