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What Is A Mortiseing Bit?

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O.K., here I go again with a new question. This one is in regard to a mortiseing bit. I have been reading about them but still am not clear as to how they work so here I am asking again.

What I have been envisioning is a bit, much like a straight bit that can be usined on my router table. I would like for it to work in a way that may not be possible, it's only a hope on my part. But, I would like to plunge it into the workpiece on the router table cut the length of the mortise and end up with square corners on both ends of the mortise. I would not need to use chisles to square the corners up, but all of this is probable just wishful thinking, but I just had to ask.

Now, if my hopes are dismissed I have been thinking of using the straight bit and then sanding the area of the tendon into a rounded shape to fit the radiuses left by the straight bit. Where am I going wrong in this endeavor?

Jerry
Colorado City, TX
 
#5 ·
No-one has yet figured out how to make a rotating tool cut square internal corners. A CNC router could probably cut square external corners satisfactorily. Modern woodwork has gravitated towards round tenons in round-ended mortices, as well as floating tenons in round-ended mortices, probably due to the explosion in popularity of routers. Strictly speaking, a morticing bit is like this, from what Norm calls a dedicated morticer, where the square chisel cuts the mortice and the bit, which runs inside it, removes the waste upwards simultaneously. Leverage by the operator advances the chisel assembly into the work. I know of no other technology to produce a square-cornered mortice, so this is the only bit as such that does what you're asking.

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#6 ·
John,
What you are saying about not being able to cut a square hold with a rotating bit is exactly why I have begun asking my question. It seems to be that a straight bit would cut mortise just fine, and the corners of course would be rounded. I am not certain how flat the bottoms of the cuts would be or how important being flat really is. In a post above yours, Richsrd has implied thst he just leaves the rounded corners alone. Also, cutting mortises in the manner that I am decribing would only be appliable to relatively small work pieces that could be handlled on a router table. Do you have any opinion as to leaving the corners rounded as Richard has implied that he does. I do appreceicate your taking time to address this matter for me.

Jerry
 
#7 ·
Hi

They do make and sale a router bit that will cut a true square hole ..it looks like a triangle router bit...

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#10 ·
If you don't round off the corners then the tenon won't fit. You can't put a square object into a round hole which is what the corners are. When I use a mortise and tenon joint I cut the tenon on the band saw to fit the mortise size. Also you can't cut the mortise with a straight bit, a straight bit will only cut edges and can't be plunged. You will need to use a spiral bit. IF using it on a table then a downward one, if using it with a plunge router then an upward one.
 
#27 ·
While standard straight bits won't plunge vertically the web ends before the cutting edges do so you can plunge while moving and cut mortises or any other blind cut you have a template or jig for.

Amana and others also make special straight plunge bits that have edges on the web so they will cut vertically although they don't extract waste like up-shear spirals and don't work as well when not moving.
 
#12 · (Edited)
Okay you guys... I know how to do this joining technique and darn it, you are confusing me with those descriptions. I'm sure if you are confusing me, then I feel sorry for those that don't know. So let's see if I can chip through some of this confusion.

There is a router bit named a "mortising" bit. This is for creating a shallow mortise (a hole or recess cut into a part) for mortising in hinges and such, not for creating a deep mortise for a mortise and tenon joint. This bit is too shallow to create that deep of a hole. Another problem with trying to use that bit for a deep hole is that is doesn't clear the hole of chips fast enough or well..

Yes, you could use a straight bit, but IMHO, the best router bit for this kind of mortise hole is a spiral up bit, which does clear chips out of that hole efficiently and fast. Yes you end up with a rounded hole, not square corners... But if you clean to hole out with a wood chisel, you can square out the corners of the recess.

If you don't want to take the time to square out the corners, you can use a loose tenon made on your router table... Or you can create a rounded tenon with a tenon jig and a bushing. The length of your tenon is limited to the spiral bit you are using. What this does is mounts to the end of the stock, with the end facing up. You cut down onto the stock with a handheld router, with the tip cutting/creating the shoulder and the edge of the bit cutting/creating the shape of the tenon.

Next is the classic mortising bit, used on a mortiser, like those found as an attachment to jointer/planers. The motirtiser bit its like a long spiral cutter bit and creates a slot with rounded corners. The table of the mortiser holds the stock, moves it onto the bit and slides the stock back and forth to create a slot. Again, you can square out the hole with chisels or create a loose tenon joint with a rounded tenon.

Then there is a mortiser that looks like a small drill press. This uses a mortising chisel bit, that was pictured a few posts back. This "bit" can also be used with a drill press, if you have a mortising bit attachment for your drill press. This mortising chisel bit will not work without one of these two things. An explanation will clear that up. The bit is two part. The inside spins and clears the chips as the chisel drops down and trims a squared hole. The outside collar that is part of the square chisel is held in place and therefore should not spin. The collar of the mortiser or the drill press mortising attachment is what holds the collar of the chisel from spinning and presses it down the hole as it gets drilled. Rectangular holes are made by drilling holes next to each other.

Some people think that since they have a drill press, they go out and buy a mortising attachment instead of buying a mortiser... By the time you get all the parts, you end up paying "about" as much as an inexpensive mortiser. Unless, you buy the bargain brand drill press mortiser attachment ($49). I read a good reputable review of a test from a mainstream woodworking editor who tested 3 drill press mortising attachments, then went back and tested those two named brand and the one bargain brand drill press mortiser attachments against each other... The results where so close between the three, that he picked the bargain brand as the winner. What he did say as a tip for mortisers or drill press mortiser attachments is to go back and buy a quality mortising chisel bit for the size(s) you use most often.

Drill press- drill holes next to each other and clean out with a chisel. Can do same with an auger and brace.

Does that clear things up now? I hope so.
 
#13 · (Edited)
hi

You don't need to round over the tenon once they are in the pocket hole they are in and you will not see the square ends anyway plus you have some room for the glue..you could say a wedge fit joint..

You don't need a drill press to use the mortising attachment it can be used with a soft face hammer and drill motor..if you want square end pocket holes.just drill some holes and use the SQUARE chisel to clean it out...they come 1/4" TO 1" in size.. you can make some hardwood handles if you want to hold the tool.

You can use the LONG drill bits made by JessEm in your router for the deep holes,they are HSS and will hold up for what you want to get done,I have not use drill bits but I don't see why you can't use them also, the JessEm is a flat bottom drill and will remove the stock just like the spiral up router bit..but they are long from 6" to 10" long.
http://www.amazon.com/JessEm-Replac...93WFCG/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1355514476&sr=1-1&keywords=jessem+drill+bits

Does that clear things up now? I hope

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#16 ·
Hi

Almost but they have a bit that will cut a true square inside corners, someone did post a youtube of it but I don't recall it off the top of my head..

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#18 ·
Jerry, You have a myriad of answers herein. Basically, you can use a mortising bit for use with a router and cut a round hole - with a bottom flute, the bottom can be quite flat. A mortising bit for a dedicated mortiser or a drill press attachment uses four chisels intersecting at 90 degree angles with a clearing bit centrally positioned and very close to tangent with those four chisels - this is called a hollow chisel mortising bit. Another member posted excellent photos of this above.
There is, however; another type of "mortising method" - which your description makes me think you may be referencing: The type of mortises often seen in mission-style furniture. It uses a continuous slot (yes - cut on a router table or using a dado blade on a table saw) and never stops - it simply goes from one end to the other. Tenons the same width as this slot are inserted and filler pieces (flush with the slotted workpiece) are inserted between these "tenons". This method uses rectangular mortises with rectangular tenons and requires nothing other than a slot. This type of mortise and tenon joint is rarely considered "structural", but you quite likely have seen this in a magazine or book or on a do-it-yourself (DIY) TV program. Good Luck, Otis Guillebeau
 
#23 ·
So far I think that we are talking about two types of morises, first would be a shallow mortise for recessing hinges for example, the second would be deeper mortises for mortise and tendon joints. I want to cut relative small mortises, say ones that are from a half to three quarters deep and a quarter inch wide or so and an inch or so long. I looked at the sqare hold drilling bit but while the hole is square, or sort of square, the corners are still radiused, not square. So, I am still trying to learn what I will have to do to make the mortise and tendon joint the way I envision it.

Jerry
 
#24 ·
Hi Jerry - you're right, need to figure out what kind of mortise we are talking about. For your particular job, I would just use a 1/4" plunging straight bit or a spiral bit. Round the tenons off with a quick hit of sandapaper. For the 1/8" radius you are dealing with one would be hard pressed to see if its sanded or machined before its assembled.

Usually when you see mortise bits advertised, they will be relatively short cutting lengths and have a fair amount of relief in the center of the bottom. Thats for chip relief on the shallow hinge mortises. They also don't do a very good job of straight plunging nor leave a flat bottom until you move them around a bit. :)
 
#26 ·
Now, if my hopes are dismissed I have been thinking of using the straight bit and then sanding the area of the tendon into a rounded shape to fit the radiuses left by the straight bit. Where am I going wrong in this endeavor?

Jerry
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Jerry, just curious why you must have rounded corners on the tenon? You can cut the tenon to go from the radius of one round corner in the mortise to the radius of the other corner. you will not lose any strength of the joint. If you insist on having square corners, then a hollow mortising chisel, of the proper size, in a drill press will probably be your cheapest, quickest, easy way to accomplish that.

Keep in mind, if you use square corners, the location of the tenon will have to be exact. .02" off and it will be evident in the glue up.

Personally, I use the router table for the mortise, then cut the tenon on the table saw, or the router table. The router table is quicker.
 
#28 · (Edited)
Hi Phil, I don,t mean to digress, but I note on the bit you showed that it had a "K" stamped on it.

I remember Ron Fox said that "this was a new bit as it has the "K" mark on it".

What is the significance of the "K" mark.

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#29 ·
I note on the bit you showed that it had a "K" stamped on it.

I remember Ron Fox said that "this was a new bit as it has the "K" mark on it".

What is the significance of the "K" mark.

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Hi James

For a few years now manufacturers in Europe have been putting that "K" mark on to indicate the correct depth to insert the cutter into the collet to ensure safe operation. I find it also helps get you somewhere near if trying to repeat a set-up at a later date. Quite a few of my cutters have them

Regards

Phil
 
#30 ·
Jerry you want to make a simple 1/4" wide mortise correct? Get this bit from MLCS #5157 1/4" 3/4" 2-1/2" 1/4" $15.95 and make your mortise. Now cut your tenon. If you have a bandsaw then use that if not use your table saw and just make a few cuts with the stock laying flat on the table and nibble the wood away. Now cut a little away from each end about 1/4" to leave a shoulder on the tenon. Now try to put the tenon in, it probably won't fit and you will see why. Now take a rasp and knock down the corners. Put some glue on it and assemble it. Done