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Tool: Toycen Tradesman Variable Speed DC Bench Grinder/Sharpener
Reviewer: B52SAC
Tool Rating: 9.5 of 10
Review: Bought this grinder about 2 months ago. It's a new item in the market so there's not a lot of info available, but a friend of mine in BC who is a woodcarver bought one and loved it...so I followed his lead. A good decision. (I bought the 6" and 8" wheel version)

Pros:
1. Packaged well with good instructions. Ready to go out of the box.
2. Industrial level construction. Nothing cheap or slipshod about it.
3. Very quiet, can barely hear it running.
4. No dust, no heat (burned tools are a thing of the past now)
5. The diamond and CBN wheels ran true from the box.
6. Variable speed. I can run at 200 RPM or 1,000 RPM depending on what I'm grinding. I like the DC motor.
7. Made in North America.

Cons:
1. Expensive at almost $1,500
2. I started it once at full RPM and it popped the fuse...replaced with a 8A slow-blow and no problem. It's hanging almost 15lbs of wheels. I don't think it's a problem and it only happened the one time.

Summary: Was a good decision. It's used everyday and I'm confident that I'll probably never need to buy another grinder and with the Diamond and CBN wheels it'll be years before they have to be replaced. $1,500 is a lot for a grinder, but this is not the same animal as a 3,600 RPM AC stone grinder. I like precision work and I can get the kind of precision I want with this machine, something I've never been able to do with a stone grinder.

Will add to review in a few months.
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Not familiar with that machine, but the ability to lower the RPMs is always a good idea. Most all grinders run way too fast. Steel will only grind at a given rate, no matter how fast the wheels rotate.

Sounds like I have some Googling to do.
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Tool: Toycen Tradesman Variable Speed DC Bench Grinder/Sharpener
Reviewer: B52SAC
Tool Rating: 9.5 of 10
Review: Bought this grinder about 2 months ago. It's a new item in the market so there's not a lot of info available, but a friend of mine in BC who is a woodcarver bought one and loved it...so I followed his lead. A good decision. (I bought the 6" and 8" wheel version)

Pros:
1. Packaged well with good instructions. Ready to go out of the box.
2. Industrial level construction. Nothing cheap or slipshod about it.
3. Very quiet, can barely hear it running.
4. No dust, no heat (burned tools are a thing of the past now)
5. The diamond and CBN wheels ran true from the box.
6. Variable speed. I can run at 200 RPM or 1,000 RPM depending on what I'm grinding. I like the DC motor.
7. Made in North America.

Cons:
1. Expensive at almost $1,500
2. I started it once at full RPM and it popped the fuse...replaced with a 8A slow-blow and no problem. It's hanging almost 15lbs of wheels. I don't think it's a problem and it only happened the one time.

Summary: Was a good decision. It's used everyday and I'm confident that I'll probably never need to buy another grinder and with the Diamond and CBN wheels it'll be years before they have to be replaced. $1,500 is a lot for a grinder, but this is not the same animal as a 3,600 RPM AC stone grinder. I like precision work and I can get the kind of precision I want with this machine, something I've never been able to do with a stone grinder.

Will add to review in a few months.


To answer a question I received: I purchased it from Toycen Corporation, the builder. Their website is "www.cuttermasters.com"

I spoke to Jeff Toycen, the head of the company before I purchased. His company designed and builds the machine. The motors are manufactured to their specs by a company in Wisconsin, and the wheels are manufactured to Toycen's specifications.

Just one wheel costs more than most bench grinders, but based on my experience it's worth it. You do get what you pay for, and $1,500 is a lot, but the results make it worth every penny.

The 6" and 8" wheel combination is really good, and gives excellent versatility. Also, in my review I mentioned 200 and 1,000 RPM...it's really not just two speeds but variable.

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Tool: Toycen Tradesman Variable Speed DC Bench Grinder/Sharpener
Reviewer: B52SAC
Tool Rating: 9.5 of 10
Review: Bought this grinder about 2 months ago. It's a new item in the market so there's not a lot of info available, but a friend of mine in BC who is a woodcarver bought one and loved it...so I followed his lead. A good decision. (I bought the 6" and 8" wheel version)

Pros:
1. Packaged well with good instructions. Ready to go out of the box.
2. Industrial level construction. Nothing cheap or slipshod about it.
3. Very quiet, can barely hear it running.
4. No dust, no heat (burned tools are a thing of the past now)
5. The diamond and CBN wheels ran true from the box.
6. Variable speed. I can run at 200 RPM or 1,000 RPM depending on what I'm grinding. I like the DC motor.
7. Made in North America.

Cons:
1. Expensive at almost $1,500
2. I started it once at full RPM and it popped the fuse...replaced with a 8A slow-blow and no problem. It's hanging almost 15lbs of wheels. I don't think it's a problem and it only happened the one time.

Summary: Was a good decision. It's used everyday and I'm confident that I'll probably never need to buy another grinder and with the Diamond and CBN wheels it'll be years before they have to be replaced. $1,500 is a lot for a grinder, but this is not the same animal as a 3,600 RPM AC stone grinder. I like precision work and I can get the kind of precision I want with this machine, something I've never been able to do with a stone grinder.

Will add to review in a few months.



Ok....I'm back with an update on the Tradesman.....about 6 months of use.

Here's the spoiler....no issues...no problems...very pleased.

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It has not popped the fuse since that initial episode.

The wheels show absolutely no wear and grind as well as the day I got the machine.

The face is still perfectly flat and must still be close to the original specs of .0002 true.

I was wrong on the speed, it runs a minimum of 400 RPM and max of 4,000...and anywhere in-between.

I just received their new catalog by e-mail, and the price has been reduced to about $1,200 (I called to ask about a new belt sander attachment they are making for it, and asked about the price reduction....it's due to increased quantities of sales so they can buy some of the expensive parts for less....more quantity...specifically the motor and wheels). They shared that the motors are made to their specs in Wisconsin.

Also, they have come out with a Tormek compatible rail, and that belt sander since I bought mine.

So....would I buy it again. Yes...without hesitation. It's the jewel of my shop.

I just wish someone had bought it for me as a Christmas present....maybe the belt sander attachment!

If interested in looking at their catalog it's on their website...just Google Cuttermasters or Toycen Tradesman

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Ok....I'm back with an update on the Tradesman.....about 6 months of use.

Here's the spoiler....no issues...no problems...very pleased.

Details:

It has not popped the fuse since that initial episode.

The wheels show absolutely no wear and grind as well as the day I got the machine.

The face is still perfectly flat and must still be close to the original specs of .0002 true.

I was wrong on the speed, it runs a minimum of 400 RPM and max of 4,000...and anywhere in-between.

I just received their new catalog by e-mail, and the price has been reduced to about $1,200 (I called to ask about a new belt sander attachment they are making for it, and asked about the price reduction....it's due to increased quantities of sales so they can buy some of the expensive parts for less....more quantity...specifically the motor and wheels). They shared that the motors are made to their specs in Wisconsin.

Also, they have come out with a Tormek compatible rail, and that belt sander since I bought mine.

So....would I buy it again. Yes...without hesitation. It's the jewel of my shop.

I just wish someone had bought it for me as a Christmas present....maybe the belt sander attachment!

If interested in looking at their catalog it's on their website...just Google Cuttermasters or Toycen Tradesman

Regards and Happy Holidays,
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Only a curiosity. What about this 6" to 8" makes it worth over $1000? I can think of bigger, commercial water and oil stone; diamond stone sharpening equipment... for commercial sharpening outfits that cost a lot less.

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The quality, along with the ability run low to fairly high speed. No water needed and no mess with a stone wheel.

I'm not aware of any machine like it in the market that combines the plated wheels with DC variable speed. There are a lot of AC variable speed machines out there but they lose torque when you lean into them; this senses the speed and compensates....it just keeps on going. It also has a 10 year warranty....am not sure anyone else warranty's their gear that long...most would be a year I expect.

The results are worth the money...at least they have been for me.

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I looked at the machines and they look nice.
I can see the cost, as the machine have to be precision to work with plated wheels.

I have a machine much like the most advanced one, except its alot bigger, weighs 2000lbs.

Now, I do not understand the dust free part. Unless there is some sort of dust pickup such as a vacuum, there is going to be some dust.

If you are grinding carbide, be very careful. If, you get a metalic taste, you are ingesting carbide, that is very bad, it is toxic.

Be sure and wear a good filter mask.

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