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I am looking to buy a Japanese handsaw for general woodworking use. I aim to build anything from a sturdy bench and heavy-duty woodworking table to small boxes. For my first Japanese handsaw, (which will handle the larger projects,) I am considering two very similar models. The difference I am seeing on the models is that one has more teeth per inch - which I think would be good for smoother cutting. However, the saw with wider-spaced teeth is more popular on Amazon and recommended by a woodworker. Is there something I am missing and is one saw superior?

Popular saw (155608)
Gyokucho 9-1/2" Double Edge (Ryoba) RazorSaw for Hardwoods from Japan Woodworker
Overall length: 23"; Crosscut teeth/inch: 14; Rip teeth/inch: 7

Saw I am leaning towards getting (155692)
Gyokucho 9-1/2" Double Edge (Ryoba) RazorSaw from Japan Woodworker
9 1/2" - Overall length: 23"; Crosscut teeth/inch: 22; Rip teeth/inch: 9 Handle 10 5/8"; Blade at widest 3 1/4"

The item numbers can be referenced under the Japan Woodworker catalog. I would post URLs but I do not have that access yet.

Is one saw more suited for cutting hard woods or have a smoother cut?

Thanks so much for any advice you have!

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Not sure what advice to give you on this one , Benjamin. I have a pull saw made by Irwin , which cuts very smoothly . You might take a look at the Samurai Carpenter's videos - he uses lots of Japanese saws

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Hey, BD; welcome!

I only have one, a fine tooth model which I seldom have the opportunity to actually use. Friends that have them swear by them, however.
What did Lee Valley have to say on the subject?

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Roger: Samurai Carpenter recommends the more popular saw. If the saws are almost the same, I'd rather have the finer-toothed one. More teeth = smoother cutting?

Danin Thanks for the welcome! And thanks for the link - I'll read up on what the PDF says.
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I have a few and never use one of my old push saws unless I need a longer blade. The coarse tooth one is the one you will most likely use the most and it will cut much finer than a standard north American push style saw. The fine tooth is good for cutting dovetails or molding but is significantly slower cutting. I have a relatively cheap one from Canadian Tire here in Canada that has both fine and coarse and it is actually a decent saw at about C$30. Canadian Tire is like Sears in that they don't manufacture anything they sell even if does have their name on it so it is likely available there by another name. As Dan suggested read the descriptions in Lee Valley's catalog as that will help inform you of what the various ones are good for.

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Rogerdodge Samurai Carpenter replied to my question:
"more teeth gives you a cleaner cut but cuts slower."

Cherryville Chuck I'd like my work to be very clean, but I don't want to take a year cutting. These saws are the same length (I will get a ripcut dovetail saw later) but one has more teeth. Do you think the difference will be very noticeable between these two 9 1/2" saws or will the smoothness/speed differences be negligible? I'm not familiar with Canadian Tire - I'll have to look that name up!
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Ben; could you maybe fill out a little about yourself on your profile page? It helps other members be more helpful with their answers. For example, Canadian Tire is a Canadian company which really isn't of much help to you if you're South of 49.
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Welcome to the forums BD...

if you use the @ symbol before the member's screen name it will give them a notification that you are posting directly to them...

like so.. @bdbailey ...

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@DaninVan Good point. I added a profile photo. I can add a little more information soon. Letting you know I'm in West Virginia, USA. EDIT: I have now added some more information to my profile.
@Stick486 I was wondering if that was how it was done. Thanks!

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yur welcome..
I have the Vaughn versions of those saws... no complaints...

http://www.vaughanmfg.com/shopping/D...Hand-Saws.aspx

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