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Wow David, that looks like it was a massive job. Just curious, did you try the motors first? If they had been fried I might have given up right there.
If I remember correctly, Charles, the PM66 motor was off and sitting by the saw. That's about the only reason Adam and I could hoist this beast into his pickup bed by ourselves. I think if the motor had still been mounted it would have crossed the line for us being able to lift it that high. The shaft spun freely but I was taking them home anyway.

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Thanks David, frugal and tenacious come to mind. Many people today would have thrown it away and bought new.
We considered that at one point, Steve, but there was sentimental value attached to the saw and a history that I just couldn't throw away.

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OH hell with it!!! I'll just give this thread one BIG like!!

My Craftsman hybrid is slowly nearing the end of its usefulness. I don't see the value in investing in restoring it. So, bringing back to life an old standard is an option. Seeing what you started with and what you ended up with is absolutely inspiring. I will be following this thread with a great deal of interest. Thanks David, for taking the time and effort to document your adventure.

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Thanks, Bill! To me it's fun to share these experiences. It helps me to document what I did in case I need to go back and revisit but some little piece of the story is bound to help someone else down the road when they go to do a restoration.

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David ----- get rid of that damn Mini and get a real vehicle..........F150, Sierra, Silverado, Ram!!!!! Or get one in addition to. Yup - crew cab - you sure wouldn't regret it after having it awhile.
LOL! John, the MINI got upgraded to a brand new Countryman sometime during this restoration and has been since replaced by a Tacoma. This has been a good thing when it comes to hauling lumber, which I seem to be doing every two weeks or so, but I really miss the MINI - great cars!
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Very interesting. I didn't see any mention of using electrolysis on the cleaning process or did I miss that?
No, Jon, I didn't do any electrolysis on this. I did it on the jointer and subsequently on the PM 54A jointer we bought. In retrospect it would have saved a good bit of time if I had gone the electrolysis route - not sure why I didn't do it on the table saw...

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Got some primer on this in a hurry before rain and rust coming back –
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Then I started looking for a match to the Powermatic Gold. Before anyone bothers to tell me, I have searched and searched and found all sorts of paint formulas and recipes and I've been to automotive paint stores looking for something that would be an exact match. I was not willing to settle for 'close' and I certainly wasn't going to paint it Powermatic Mustard Yellow or whatever it's called. My jointer is that color and it's fine for that but this saw is a 1990 and came in PM Gold so that's what I wanted.

Several automotive paint stores locally said they could get a perfect match but the cost was around $150 for the catalyzed finishes and clear coats they recommended. I'm too frugal (cheap) to spend that much on paint for a table saw. So I kept searching... for two years the saw sat in the shop, primed and ready. I painted all the internal pieces black right away and they were ready. Each time my daughter asked me to build her a small table or something I just said, 'When I get the table saw together' and it sort of became a standing joke around here.

But still it sat on its side, like this, for two years. (Update 3/11/17 - As I look at this photo I can't believe how much the shop has changed. We've added the Laguna bandsaw, SuperMax drum sander, CNC machine, lumber is now stored vertically, we have a French cleat around the shop, and lots of other changes - wow!)
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At least I had done all the body work right after I primed it, so that was out of the way.
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More Bondo work –
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I used the side of the cabinet as a resting spot for small pieces and the inside for parts and sandpaper storage. It had become a fixture in the shop, sad to say.

Then, after two years, I announced to my wife that I had decided on black and would start painting right away (late October 2014). She just laughed and said she would have painted it black two years earlier if it had been up to her.

But I decided I wanted the inside of the cabinet white for higher reflectance when I needed to see inside there. I no longer have those young eyes that can see in low light so white made sense.
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LOL! John, the MINI got upgraded to a brand new Countryman sometime during this restoration and has been since replaced by a Tacoma. This has been a good thing when it comes to hauling lumber, which I seem to be doing every two weeks or so, but I really miss the MINI - great cars!

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OK -- I'll give you the Tacoma. I think they're assembled by you someplace aren't they? It's a start. But once you drove a real truck for a while you'd never go back. Gonna get rid of my F150 this year I think -- Ram or Jimmy this time I think, since I don't get the Z plan anymore.
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LOL! John, the MINI got upgraded to a brand new Countryman sometime during this restoration and has been since replaced by a Tacoma. This has been a good thing when it comes to hauling lumber, which I seem to be doing every two weeks or so, but I really miss the MINI - great cars!

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OK -- I'll give you the Tacoma. I think they're assembled by you someplace aren't they? It's a start. But once you drove a real truck for a while you'd never go back. Gonna get rid of my F150 this year I think -- Ram or Jimmy this time I think, since I don't get the Z plan anymore.
Yeah, it isn't a real truck. And it's not even a good Toyota!! It doesn't give you the outside temp (you have to buy a cheaper Toyota or a more expensive Toyota to get that little luxury), it doesn't auto lock the doors, doesn't auto turn on the headlights, it doesn't even have a place for the gas cap when you open the little access door. I mentioned all this to the sales guy and he shrugged, said he can't add all those things (and I know he can't). And for a 6 cylinder it gets poor gas mileage - about 18 on the road, 17 in town.

My MINI Cooper did all that and tons more and cost a grand less but I can only haul small sticks in it. I should've gone next door to Ford...

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This is a great thread. Thanks David for going to the trouble of showing us.
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This is a great thread. Thanks David for going to the trouble of showing us.
Thanks, Ross! I'm having fun going back through all of this and getting to live through it again, vicariously through photos and the story this time but still enjoying going back through it.

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Ok, picking up where I left off - choosing colors for the cabinet -

For comparison, here's the new color on the left, 1990 Gold on the right -
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Continuing on with painting everything in sight! Everything in white was brushed on very heavy and followed up with Rust-Oleum in rattle cans - High Performance White.

Underside of table –
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Underside of extension wings –
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Moved it back to my spray booth for the cabinet (outside in the back yard, at night no less). I used Rust-Oleum High Performance Gloss Black Enamel in rattle cans from Lowe's. These have a decent spray tip and it went on well, smooth.
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Brought it inside after two good heavy coats. No bugs, no drips, no runs, no errors. I also caulked with black Silicone every gap in the base to the cabinet, every void in welding, every place where two pieces meet and didn't close up precisely. I have thoughts of later creating as close to negative pressure inside the cabinet as possible for dust control, although that may be a pie in the sky dream and is definitely not on the front burner. But sealing these up now was certainly easier than later with everything installed.
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Here's a sample of the cleanup process. This worm gear was encrusted with what seemed to be the equivalent of concrete. This packed sawdust/grease/rust combo would not soak off with any number of solvents I tried, would not wire wheel or wire brush by hand off, and I couldn't budge any of it with compressed air. What I ended up doing, for 3 hours one night, was to use a small brass rod sharpened on the end like a chisel and chip away at what seemed like each molecule of the crud. My hands were sore!
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After 3 hours it looked like this –
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Many parts required the same attention to get cleaned and ready for assembly. No single part came clean with a good soaking in solvents or wire brushing. Every part required a lot of time and there were nights, like this worm gear, where I cleaned one part only.

Here is my layout table with parts, some ready and some soon to be.
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I believe all of these are ready. And I got lucky on the angle scale. There was a blemish on it and when I tried to get it off it just started getting bigger, which wasn't cool. But then I looked a little closer and realized it still had the protective plastic on it from 1990. I peeled it off and there was a brand new angle scale under there!
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Remember that height shaft that was bent and I had to support it with a wood wedge block because I was having to beat it out of the trunnion? And remember I said one of the first things I did was to order a new one? Well, I didn't remember the 'part ordering' because it happened two years ago. As I was laying out all the items for assembly I came across a bag I had not seen with some parts. Lo and behold there was a new shaft and worm gear... the same worm gear I had spent 3 hours cleaning a couple of days earlier!! Bummer! Of course, those are new bearings on the arbor.
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I'll finish this tomorrow, folks. Thanks for following along and commenting even though this project is finished. You get extra points for reading everything but the points are not worth anything... sorry. LOL!
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In powermatic years, a 1990 model is a relatively young saw..

While doing the restore, did you find that parts were readily available? Affordable or at least reasonably affordable?

Painting the interior white is a great idea, may seem like a little thing, by adding the reflective quality of a light color should be of great help
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In powermatic years, a 1990 model is a relatively young saw..

While doing the restore, did you find that parts were readily available? Affordable or at least reasonably affordable?

Painting the interior white is a great idea, may seem like a little thing, by adding the reflective quality of a light color should be of great help
I agree, Bill - fairly young for a Powermatic but old enough to be the 'right' color. And because we bought it new it had/has some sentimental value, at least enough to put forth the effort on a restoration.

Seems like the only parts I needed were the shaft and worm gear and that was very easy to get from PM. Bearings, belts, fasteners, etc. I picked up locally. Paint is the only sticking point - it's like PM wants to hold hostage the gold color by charging so much for rattle cans. I wasn't willing to play that game with them; black looks cool, I think!

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