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i am now using 3 shopvacs for my shop. more and more tools are coming with 4 inch ports. how does a dust collector compare with a shopvac? if the dust collector is a lot better, what hp does one need to look at? i may at sometime in the future get one if it is superior to what im using now. thanks for any input!

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Hi Levon,

I have had my DC for about 10 years now (JET). Don't know what HP off hand, but the biggest advantage is being able to hook all my machines permanently to it via a circuit of 4" hose.

If I use my table saw, I open that link, the planer, open that link, etc.

It sure beats lugging a shop-vac (I still have 2 for cleanup) every time you want to do something.

I have asthma and would not be without a DC system. The air is much cleaner with it!

Hope this helps somewhat.
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hello Tom,

thanks for the input. i know nothing about dc's and any information is a help. my shop is so small i still would probably need to move tools around to use it. im trying to get all my tools mobile right now.

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Hi levon

"shopvacs" do the job just fine ,, many put in a big vac system and then choke it down to 2" / 2 1/2" the norm at the tool then it's the same as a good shop vac.
If you have a big shop it's nice to have one of the big systems, so you have one point to collect all the dust to...but it's over kill for most home shops...I must say I have one but I just drag the big hose to the tool I need or roll the tool over to the hose/vac system..but most of the time I just drag the hose from the shop vac to the router table...

I have about 50ft of 2 1/2" hose for the shop vac I have,,,some on the big system and some on the shop vac..
I have a Y connection on the big system and I just plug in the 2 1/2" most of the time..
The jointer I have has a 4" port and it's almost a must on that tool to pull the tons of chips out..the planer is almost the same but the port is only 2 1/2" so aging it chokes the 4" down...

But I will say if you read the info on most shop vac's they are very good no rag bag the norm but a good cart.filter in place..


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i am now using 3 shopvacs for my shop. more and more tools are coming with 4 inch ports. how does a dust collector compare with a shopvac? if the dust collector is a lot better, what hp does one need to look at? i may at sometime in the future get one if it is superior to what im using now. thanks for any input!



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Hi Levon,
I am also building up my workshop right now. Just today I was looking at a new issue of American Woodworker magazine and saw an advertisement for Oneida Air Systems big shop model DC's (no prices listed) "www.oneida-air.com", and JDS Company shop models (again no prices listed) "www.jdstools.com". They look like really great systems, but my shop will also be on the small side, and space will be at a premium.
However, there is an advertisement from "www.toolmarts.com" displaying a 1 HP Mobile Tabletop unit for $129.99. I went to their website, and there is also a little bit bigger 2 HP portable unit for a little more $$.
I also would like to know if these types of DC's would be any better than a good shop vac. If anyone has an opinion, please chime in.
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hello bobj,

that makes me feel better. it would be much later if i bought one anyway. got to get over all the tools i have gotten lately. we have had 2 warm days here,but they say its going to get a little cooler again.

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I am interested also as I am moving into the basement area. I will post pics soon, I have a lot of work to do and few $$$ to do them so for know I will just run some 20amp 125 volt receptacles, do a little sheet rock in areas that will be more difficult to reach later, and just move in and spread out. Oh yes, I was saying I use a shop vac, but notice the filter is all to quickly clogged with dust. Should I maybe wrap it with some other filter material like an old t shirt for example?? I don't see the bigger pieces being a problem.

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Jerry,

If you're using a ShopVac, get the bags instead of trying to keep the filters clean. The collection and filtering will be much better. IMHO, the dumping is also cleaner, the dirt stays in the bag.

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HI Jerry

Here's a little trick I use

Ask the boss for her old nylons slip one of the legs over the filter, use a tie wire, off the bread wrapper ,, you should get 4ea. pre filters out of one pair of nylons...,then when the can is full pull the filter off with your new prefilter ,slip it off and blow out the filter and it's just like new again...

Just a note,, the board for the hot pans that come out of the oven, pickup some brass tacks, the one they use on leather chairs that stick up about 1/8" to a 1/4" high, drill some holes tap in some tacks and it will not burn the board.. then I'm sure you can put on a coat of poly. to keep it looking neat in the kitchen


Plus if you pickup one of the
5 Gallon Dust Collection Cyclone Separator
http://www.grizzly.com/products/5-Ga...eparator/G6102

You will not need to clean the vac out all the time and the filter
You can find the big ones that are the size of 30 gal.trash can, then just slip in a plastic bag and in ten mins.you can dump it quick and easy and fuss no muss

Two Stage Dust Separator Lid ,note the 4" ports on this one (30 gal. one )
Cyclone Dust Separator Lid, 2 1/2" ports on this one

This dust collector separator increases the efficiency and capacity of standard dust collection systems.
Designed to fit securely on top of a standard 30-gallon metal trash can, this molded ABS fitting is engineered to use cyclonic action to drop out larger particles from the dust flow.
The fitting features molded inlets and outlets which can be easily connected to standard systems using 4” flexible hose . You will be amazed at how well it works!! The Dust Collection separator comes in two sizes: 30 gallon can size and 5 gallon size.

http://www.ptreeusa.com/dustacces.htm
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I am interested also as I am moving into the basement area. I will post pics soon, I have a lot of work to do and few $$$ to do them so for know I will just run some 20amp 125 volt receptacles, do a little sheet rock in areas that will be more difficult to reach later, and just move in and spread out. Oh yes, I was saying I use a shop vac, but notice the filter is all to quickly clogged with dust. Should I maybe wrap it with some other filter material like an old t shirt for example?? I don't see the bigger pieces being a problem.



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This is the one I have. Been used almost every day for 4 years. No problems. Alot quieter than my shop vacs.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/cta...emnumber=97869

What ever you do if you get a DC, install one of those cyclones made from a 30 gal, trash can. Sure makes emptying the DC less frequent and stops bigger pieces from hitting the DC impeller.

I still use the shop vac on the router table, simply because it's easier in my situation.

My air cleaner is just a box that houses a used furnace blower and electrostatic filters.
A DC is not the total answer to a dust free shop....but is anything? Still, an air cleaner helps.

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