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Well you pay USA pricing, becauae your friend Dovetail will just ship you a gift from the USA. One reason I haven't bought anything Mafell is becasue even the best price here in the USA with no tax and free shipping is just still too much money. I finally am going to dip in the Mafell pool when I redo my shop because I use a track saw mostly for plywood.But for thick hardwoods the Festool TS 75 is still FOR ME going to be the saw to choose. I sold mine, but if I had to start cutting thick hardwoods with a track saw that's the saw I would get.

I am surprised they don't sell Mafell in Canada, there are two companies in the USA selling the Mafell stuff now and I am sure more coming.

I received the suggested Infinity blade today and tossed it on my my Makita and WOW!.. I never heard a blade sound so funny, bad dam it cut though 5/4" Wenge and left a nice glue edge, best track saw blade I have ever used for sure. I almost didn't test the new blade on Wenge because I thought I might dull the blade, but the one cut I did make in Wenge made me a believer in the Infinity track saw blades, even at 70.00.
There's no Mafell dealer in Canada that I'm aware of. My bigger concern with buying a Mafell Track Saw would be warranty issues.

What do you do with a Mafell if you need to fix it for any reason?
Do you ship it back to Pennsylvania for a repair?

There's no warranty or service for a Mafell once it ships across the boarder.

I have 13 authorized Festool repair Centers in Edmonton. You don't don't have to worry about a service Center with Festool.

As much as I hate spending the money, I'll probably have to bite the bullet on the TS 75. I want to cut some hardwood tops for furniture and tables.

I also want to get the Festool 1400 series router for my freehand work. I've used a friend's 1400 for a couple of projects. It's a killer router. It's easy on the hands during circle cuts.

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Tom; How about *Suntuf Polycarbonate sheeting instead of "tin"?

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It's pretty easy to install yourself.
Thanks for the suggestion, problem is my son in law used that and it broke down, but I think that's vecause of insufficient support. I have the whole top crossed with 2x3s every 8 inches, but want it opaque to keep sun off that porch. The sun is brutal here during Summer because we're at about 3000 feet. UV fries you in a few minutes. But it would be very easy to install.

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It comes in colours (transparent) as well...and it filters out UV.
Are you sure the SiL's product wasn't the PVC version?
Blue, green, or white will stop the IR as well as the UV.
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Thanks Dan for the info. Blocking IR would also be great and the green would go nicely with the milk-chodolate color of the wood. Any thoughts on how much unsupported overhang I could get away with? 2, four, six inches? I noticed you can get shaped mounting bars and put screws in the high areas so you have less chance of leaks in the low. Looks like about $100 buck or so for this job. I'm also considering adding a short section of gutter to redirect the water, which digs a small trench into our sand pretty fast.

I'll have to get up there for the middle sections, but can do the edges from a ladder. BTW, the Shingles is getting better, so I'm going to try an indoor project or two today. Will wait for the Infinity blade to arrive before trimming the rubber on the Triton tracks. That rubber part is surprisingly expensive to replace and I think the infinity blade is slightly different thickness than the Triton's blade. Maybe I'll read the instruction book first?.

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There's no Mafell dealer in Canada that I'm aware of. My bigger concern with buying a Mafell Track Saw would be warranty issues.

What do you do with a Mafell if you need to fix it for any reason?
Do you ship it back to Pennsylvania for a repair?

There's no warranty or service for a Mafell once it ships across the boarder.

I have 13 authorized Festool repair Centers in Edmonton. You don't don't have to worry about a service Center with Festool.

As much as I hate spending the money, I'll probably have to bite the bullet on the TS 75. I want to cut some hardwood tops for furniture and tables.

I also want to get the Festool 1400 series router for my freehand work. I've used a friend's 1400 for a couple of projects. It's a killer router. It's easy on the hands during circle cuts.
The TS 75 is still better than the Mafell for thick woods so you are getting a fantastic saw, some could argue better. I am not sure of the depth of cit for the Mafell 80ec, I think its over 3" and is a KSS, I think those run on regular tracks as well though, not sure. That may be the TS 75 comparison.

We all think different, I guess I am a glass half full guy. I never bought a tool worrying about the warranty. I own half a dozen from Italy and Germany, I do my research and trust it. If they failed I would be screwed, fact is it's past 3 years and they are all running strong. This has served me well and in 30 years only two tools ever broke during a warranty period, that's another thread topic.

Anyhow, I sold my Festool OF 1400 and OF 1010 I didn't care for them. I had them both for near a year, possibly after a year you might change your mind as well. Once I bought the Festool OF 2200 I rarely picked up any other router as for me the OF 2200 handled better than the OF1400, even though it is much larger. And the dust collection is just so much better on the OF2200. For small free hand I use my DEWalt 618's and 611's and even my OF 22000 if it isn't physically too large for the work piece.

I have my preference for how the dust collection hose attaches and I prefer it integral to the router design and need the dust port going up like on the OF 2200 and DeWalt 618's. The OF 1400 over time started feeling loose and cheap to me and the few metal parts on the OF 1400 and OF 1010 started to rust when no other tools n my shop ever have, not even cast iron. I know you are looking at the OF 1400 but for the OF 1010 I truly think my little DeWalt 611 is better for both power and ease of use. I can only go off how I feel, some guys might think I am nuts. Using routers everyday as my job I have developed preference. I do work in a shop though and my dust collection comes down from above so that does make a difference on that, still I think the entire line of Festool router needs an update badly! I have a list of upgrades I would like made to the Festool routers , but again that's for another thread. The Festool routers have have any major changes in I think 7 years, it's time.
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Wait Mafell is sold to Canadians and the warranty is valid, It's right on their website.

I tried to make an order to Canada and it works, 176.00 US shipping though. If you really want Mafell it appears it can easily happen, I am still on the fence as to if it's worth so much more than the Festool. The Mafell ec85 KSS with just the little track is over 2000.00 shipped to you, plus more for another longer track. The only thing different is the tax issue as noted in my jpeg and it may or may not add a bunch. I went through this when ordering from Italy and Germany, in the end I got lucky and my shipments slipped through without ever having to pay anything else. I contacted a friend in Canada and he said he bought from Timberwolf and paid 0.00 tax and/or duty so it seems legit. He said Timber adds that shipping notation to protect themselves, but everything seemed to be paid for on their end. He just paid the local taxes as he would buying anywhere else in his area and seeing how Timber doesn't charge tax to Canadian's on the front end that seems fair enough.


http://www.mafell.de/en/dealer/north-america.html

https://www.timberwolftools.com/

If this isn't correct they need to take off the page saying they sell in Canada.

Dealers selling in Canada

Timberwolf Tools
2 Wilderness Dr
P.O. Box 25
Newry, ME 04261 USA
Tel. 001 800 8694169 toll free
Tel. 001 603 3266033 direct
Fax 001 207 8244170
e-mail: info(at)timberwolftools.com
web: www.timberwolftools.com
web: www.mafelltoolstore.com

Timberwolf Tools
3927 N Central Park Ave
Chicago, IL 60618 USA
Tel. 001 800 8694169 toll free
Tel. 001 603 3266033 direct
Fax 001 207 8244170
e-mail: info(at)timberwolftools.com
web: www.timberwolftools.com
web: www.mafelltoolstore.com
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$176 for shipping?! Wait; I don't want to buy the courier's vehicle...
That in a nutshell is why most of us Canucks only buy if your USPS does the shipping!
What was the weight and value of the items in the shopping basket?
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$176 for shipping?! Wait; I don't want to buy the courier's vehicle...
That in a nutshell is why most of us Canucks only buy if your USPS does the shipping!
What was the weight and value of the items in the shopping basket?

That supposedly covers all the taxes and across the border fees and paperwork. As I said I only know ONE person to buy from them in Canada and he incurred no other cost but their high shipping(though he seemed to think it wasn't out of line for what he ordered-he is more well off than me for sure).

Now where I live in the USA tax is 8.25% of that 2000.00 so it puts me at near the same cost. I just pay the tax later, not in the shipping. But only each individual ordering from Canada will really know for themselves the end cost. I can only go by people I know and what they tell me. He said it was far cheaper than a lot of other stuff he had to order out of Canada. The old saying "if you have to ask what it cost you can't afford it", is applicable. No matter where a person lives it's hella expensive for anything Mafell.

Anyone that wants that particular saw and can afford 2100.00 for a track saw no matter where they live probably doesn't care about another fee. That's the Rolls Royce of track Saws and people buying a Rolls don't ask what it cost, nor care.

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The TS 75 is still better than the Mafell for thick woods so you are getting a fantastic saw, some could argue better. I am not sure of the depth of cit for the Mafell 80ec, I think its over 3" and is a KSS, I think those run on regular tracks as well though, not sure. That may be the TS 75 comparison.

We all think different, I guess I am a glass half full guy. I never bought a tool worrying about the warranty. I own half a dozen from Italy and Germany, I do my research and trust it. If they failed I would be screwed, fact is it's past 3 years and they are all running strong. This has served me well and in 30 years only two tools ever broke during a warranty period, that's another thread topic.

Anyhow, I sold my Festool OF 1400 and OF 1010 I didn't care for them. I had them both for near a year, possibly after a year you might change your mind as well. Once I bought the Festool OF 2200 I rarely picked up any other router as for me the OF 2200 handled better than the OF1400, even though it is much larger. And the dust collection is just so much better on the OF2200. For small free hand I use my DEWalt 618's and 611's and even my OF 22000 if it isn't physically too large for the work piece.

I have my preference for how the dust collection hose attaches and I prefer it integral to the router design and need the dust port going up like on the OF 2200 and DeWalt 618's. The OF 1400 over time started feeling loose and cheap to me and the few metal parts on the OF 1400 and OF 1010 started to rust when no other tools n my shop ever have, not even cast iron. I know you are looking at the OF 1400 but for the OF 1010 I truly think my little DeWalt 611 is better for both power and ease of use. I can only go off how I feel, some guys might think I am nuts. Using routers everyday as my job I have developed preference. I do work in a shop though and my dust collection comes down from above so that does make a difference on that, still I think the entire line of Festool router needs an update badly! I have a list of upgrades I would like made to the Festool routers , but again that's for another thread. The Festool routers have have any major changes in I think 7 years, it's time.
Both Makita and Festool have issue like that. The SP6000 Track Saw and their routers haven't seen a refresh since 2008.

There's a lot of Makita tools that would be the best reviewed in their respective categories if Makita would update and refine their designs.

Festool has done a lot of minor updates on their track saws, dust extractors and sanders.

Their Jig Saw designs are 10 years old as well. There's no reason for Festool's Jig Saws to be finishing second to the Bosch 572. The Festool Jig Saw designs haven't aged well.
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