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temp power here is not an issue.. in fact it's up and running before the grade work is even started 99% of the time..
it comes w/ the site trailer which is done 1st..
and nobody would go near or use a rail saw on a construction site..
it and you will waste way too much time...
chalk line or eyeball it.. don't need more...
if you need a rail saw for trim or custom install the electricity will be there... everywhere...
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temp power here is not an issue..
nobody would go near a rail saw on a construction site..
wastes too much time...
chalk line or eyeball it..
if you need a rail saw for trim or custom install the electricity will be there... everywhere...
That's just rough and nasty, what we'd call bodge work. On 1st fix I'd half agree with you, but for finish work (trim carpentry) it just isn't true. Rail saws aren't that much slower, and the increased accuracy is often a bonus which makes their use worthwhile.

TBH I've heard so much cobblers spouted about (against) rail saw over the last 15 years, generally from older, more set in their ways guys, that I just have to laugh these days. A lot of younger carpenters have adopted them because they are neater and faster in a lot of cases (but then I don't build tract houses, never have and never will). I have heard the same sort of comments bandied about when I've pulled out gas nailers, laser levels, cordless pinners, digital rangefinders, etc. Time and technologies move on
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OK, maybe I should wade in with a British por-user perspective (or I'm a bit sceptical about a few of the points raised here). I've been a track saw user for 17 or 18 years having started out with a Hilti WSC255 and progressed to a Festool TS55 and TS75. I've used the Makita and Mafell, too


Try trimming a 60 or 70mm thick solid oak door or a similar thickness fire door (not an uncommon task on refurbs in older office blocks, hospitals, public buildings, etc) where the floor level may have changed (tiles instead of vinyl, etc) and you'd soon "get" the TS75. For specific uses on site they can be very handy, but TBH mine stays in the van most of the time
I already said I work in a shop, not on site and that for site work it's different story. I also said the TS 75 is the only track saw worth getting when working with thick hard woods(for me any hardwoods at all), the others FOR ME, are plywood saws. To be clear, I use Festool rails as I am in the whole Festool system, even my Makita has Festool plug it ends.

So I think you and I are on the same page as far as the TS75.

Possibly if you didn't have a TS 75 you might have a Makita and not a TS 55. You have that choice to go to the TS 75 when you dont have the power right now, but for the guys that can only afford to have ONE saw my suggestion is still the Makita for the 55 size range. I believe the Makita is the choice right now, until Festool adds 15% to the power of the TS 55. And really I wouldn't mind the TS 75 going to 15 amps, there are still certain things my skill77 needed to be pulled out for, even before I sold my TS 75. I woulnt mind if Makita upgraded their track saw with some of the missing options the Festool track saws and others have, there is something about the Festool saws that so seem for lack of a better word more "elegant" than the Makita.

I use a track saw everyday and any track saw is better than no track saw at all. Many guys can use a TS 55 and be happy, I wasn't happy so I sold my TS 55 and my TS 75 and kept the Makita. Because I buy into the "plug it" ends and dust collection hoses that have the electric cords integral to them I gravitated to the Festool rails becasue I have an OF 2200 and some other Festool tools. Others may not buy into the Festool system and be fine with the Makita rails.







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That's just rough and nasty, what we'd call bodge work. On 1st fix I'd half agree with you, but for finish work (trim carpentry) it just isn't true. Rail saws aren't that much slower, and the increased accuracy is often a bonus which makes their use worthwhile.

TBH I've heard so much cobblers spouted about (against) rail saw over the last 15 years, generally from older, more set in their ways guys, that I just have to laugh these days. A lot of younger carpenters have adopted them because they are neater and faster in a lot of cases (but then I don't build tract houses, never have and never will). I have heard the same sort of comments bandied about when I've pulled out gas nailers, laser levels, cordless pinners, digital rangefinders, etc. Time and technologies move on
I agree with this to a point, the point is where guys use tracks saw in a way I consider bodge work. Too many guys really think a track saw is like me using a sliding table saw or a enc machine, its not. And the more famous woodworkers on the net in the USA 7 or 8 years ago that got rid of their table saws and tried to survive on a track saw alone have nearly all bought another table saw of some kind.

So yeah a track saw is great, but if anyone thinks I am using it to cut a 3"x10"x8' piece of Ipe to make parts for edge joining are mistaken. I have seen this type work done with a track saw and for me personally using a track saw in a case like this is what I call podge work. The tracks saw is NOT the savior for all operations, but it is a heck of a tool to have in one's arsenal for sure. And any woodworker or carpenter could benefit from owning any track saw, that's for sure.
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It depends entirely on what type of woodworking you do. I bought the T75 years ago to cut some butcher block countertops for our kitchen remodel. It was the only saw that had the depth of cut I needed, the counter blanks were too large to safely cut on the table saw. I truly thought that the saw would be a "one off" and I would sell it after I was done. Then I discovered that I could use the saw for the sink cut outs, and the uses kept piling up. I use it to help break down the rough lumber I like to use. I hate trying to horse a 3/4 sheet of ply through the table saw, and being able to accurately cut ply, with no secondary cuts is invaluable to me. When I built my shop, the only 2 saws I had available were my miter saw and the track saw. Took me 18 months to get it done, but I never felt a need to dig through my storage that had the rest of my tools. In short I use the track saw for almost every project.
The added benefit to Festool is the "system" it creates. I use the tracks with my router all the time. If you can't tell I am a fan, and even though I am just a hobby woodworker, the saw and tracks have paid for themselves several times.
Yep, I agree on all counts. I use my track saw to break down 3/4" stock and my table saw hasn't seen plywood more than a couple times in the last 3 years or so.

My tracks have saved me more times than I can count using both my routers and saws.
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Yep, I agree on all counts. I use my track saw to break down 3/4" stock and my table saw hasn't seen plywood more than a couple times in the last 3 years or so.

My tracks have saved me more times than I can count using both my routers and saws.
The Festool track saws are one of the few Festools I don't gripe about their price. They're competing against full sized shop tables.

My Dewalt 7491 is not going anywhere if I buy a track saw.

If I'm cutting anything under 32 inches by 4 feet, that cut is getting done on a table saw with Tenryu or Infinity General, not a track saw.

Large slabs of hardwood are $2500 or more in Canada. I doubt I'll be cutting any slabs anytime soon.

A table top is a more common tasks. If you're paying the big bucks on the TS 75 for the 8/4 table top cuts.

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That's just rough and nasty, what we'd call bodge work. On 1st fix I'd half agree with you, but for finish work (trim carpentry) it just isn't true. Rail saws aren't that much slower, and the increased accuracy is often a bonus which makes their use worthwhile.

TBH I've heard so much cobblers spouted about (against) rail saw over the last 15 years, generally from older, more set in their ways guys, that I just have to laugh these days. A lot of younger carpenters have adopted them because they are neater and faster in a lot of cases (but then I don't build tract houses, never have and never will). I have heard the same sort of comments bandied about when I've pulled out gas nailers, laser levels, cordless pinners, digital rangefinders, etc. Time and technologies move on
you may be trying to but I can't/won't nor help justify something that has no business being someplace to begin w/.. you seem to be coming up short in VOE for rough construction .. 15 years heh... 60 plus here.. you sound like a salesman instead of a tradesman...

I didn't rally against it...
I even offered a plan "B" for one to save hundreds of dollars... DC and all...
and they are not faster by a long shot...

This would have been the week that I'd have finished chewing thru the restraints...
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temp power here is not an issue.. in fact it's up and running before the grade work is even started 99% of the time..
it comes w/ the site trailer which is done 1st..
and nobody would go near or use a rail saw on a construction site..
it and you will waste way too much time...
chalk line or eyeball it.. don't need more...
if you need a rail saw for trim or custom install the electricity will be there... everywhere...
I primarily use my track saw for trim work, exterior and interior. It almost replaces the table saw on the job site. For cutting 45's on large vertical wood columns it can't be beat.

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I primarily use my track saw for trim work, exterior and interior. It almost replaces the table saw on the job site. For cutting 45's on large vertical wood columns it can't be beat.

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exactly - trim work.. accuracy matters...
rough construction... naw...
cutting 45's - I'm w/ ya there...

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exactly - trim work.. accuracy matters...
rough construction... naw...
cutting 45's - I'm w/ ya there...

and Marty.. glad to meet'ja...

Marty aka Stick..
I'm starting to see more tracks, mostly Dewalt's and Festool's, being used out on rough construction sites over table saws.

I think that has more to do with portability than anything else.

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