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What is your opinion regarding biscuits vs tenons?

I have noticed no discussion on biscuits but a lot of discussion on how to make tenons and mortise. I donít know why.

I think that biscuits are much easier to install. I donít know if they are comparable in strength. The ones I have seen in local stores are #0, #10 & #20 and are 5/32Ē thick. Are they any more?

Would you use the router with a 1/8Ē slot cutter or a biscuit joiner?

Would you use biscuits instead of tenons?

Lots of question and I have no answers. How about an education on this subject?

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Hi kolias

They both have a place in your shop tool box..

I like floating tenons but the biscuits are great for miter joints.

but that's just my 2 cents..



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What is your opinion regarding biscuits vs tenons?

I have noticed no discussion on biscuits but a lot of discussion on how to make tenons and mortise. I donít know why.

I think that biscuits are much easier to install. I donít know if they are comparable in strength. The ones I have seen in local stores are #0, #10 & #20 and are 5/32Ē thick. Are they any more?

Would you use the router with a 1/8Ē slot cutter or a biscuit joiner?

Would you use biscuits instead of tenons?

Lots of question and I have no answers. How about an education on this subject?

Thank you
Nicolas



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Nicolas, I have probably the worlds cheapest biscuit joiner it works great. But it has been collecting dust since I got a pocket hole jig. My next large project will have mortise and tenons, only because I want to try it. And it gives an excuse to build another jig.

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I have a PC biscuit cutter from my Dad it cuts for 0,10 and 20 biscuits. one thing I have to watch is the cutter tries to move when engaging the wood. I just use a hand clamp to keep it in place. I know now that dad had a dovetail thing, sure wish I would have grabbed it along with the mortise cutter.

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Goota go with Rusty. I have a PC biscuit cutter that has been idle since I got my pocket hole jig(s). They beat all for face frames. Mortise and tenons are unbeatable for table leg to stretcher joining.

Again that my 2 pennies worth.
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The woodworking magazine strength tests I have seen prove that biscuits add almost no strength to a joint. They are useful mostly for alignment purposes, like for face frames, where there is little or no stress put on the joint. Where as a properly made mortise and tenon joint will hold to the point of the wood tearing before the joint fails. Here is a link to a video of one of the joint strength tests by Fine Woodworking...

Joint Strength Test

Would I use biscuits instead of tenons?.....NO! That doesn't mean that I don't use biscuits. But, as stated by others, I am using them less and less since I picked up a Kreg pocket hole jig.

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Another forum did a poll of members. Just using glue won hands down.
I used biscuits once. Pocket holes look ugly.

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It all comes down to, what you're doing or using it for. Pocket holes are great but, even they have their limits. Biscuits, from what I've been taught, are mainly to align your pieces together. There is NO strength in them. I'm with Bj about floating tenons, these are the best IMHO.

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Very good to know

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Biscuits are good, ive found that when you biscuit 2 boards together , i will run a groove in 1 board the whole length, that way you dont have to be so precise on the locations of the biscuits
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