Scroll Saw Help - Router Forums
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
post #1 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-01-2009, 11:20 PM Thread Starter
Retired Moderator
 
CanuckGal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Country: Canada
First Name: Deb
Posts: 3,132
 
Send a message via MSN to CanuckGal
Default Scroll Saw Help

I bought a scroll saw at a garage sale last summer and I decided to try to give it a little cleaning and tune up tonight. However I soon discovered I am scroll saw illiterate.
I tried to find some info on scroll saw maintenance but came up empty. So I'll just pick your brains.

I took the bracket in the picture off and cleaned it up and was cleaning out the little hole it covers when I found the two small springs inside. I assume there is something missing here. I imagine the springs should be pushing against something that pushes against the bracket to keep the arm centered when moving?
Any ideas what the missing part might look like and if I can find a replacement? I am thinking ball bearings of some sort.
Also does anyone have any tips on scroll saw maintenance/tune ups?
The saw is a Light Industrial Tools Model 1S-28 (Made in Taiwan). Nothing came up in a Google search for it.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	ss spring hole.jpg
Views:	78
Size:	93.5 KB
ID:	22287  

Click image for larger version

Name:	scroll saw.jpg
Views:	93
Size:	110.7 KB
ID:	22289  

Attached Images
   
CanuckGal is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-01-2009, 11:43 PM
Forum Contributor
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Country: United States
First Name: Bj
Posts: 23,786
       
Default

Hi Deb

This is a shot in the dark, but looks like you are missing some ball bearing..

=======



Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	scroll saw bracket.jpg
Views:	80
Size:	38.4 KB
ID:	22290  


"It's fine to disagree with other members as long as you respect their opinions"

Marc Sommerfeld Tools ,Videos
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT-n...RWaEpMA/videos

Find all threads started by bobj3
http://www.routerforums.com/search.php?searchid=944097


bobj3 is offline  
post #3 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-01-2009, 11:49 PM Thread Starter
Retired Moderator
 
CanuckGal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Country: Canada
First Name: Deb
Posts: 3,132
 
Send a message via MSN to CanuckGal
Default

Quote:
This is a shot in the dark, but looks like you are missing some ball bearing..
LOL Bob thanks for confirming what I guessed. I'll have to round up some ball bearings and see if I can find a couple that will fit.
CanuckGal is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #4 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-02-2009, 12:10 AM
Forum Contributor
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Country: United States
First Name: Bj
Posts: 23,786
       
Default

Hi Deb

If you have some old bikes around,take a look at the bearing in the rear wheel or on the crank sprocket, they look about the same size and are easy to snap out of the ring..
Don't forget the crank sprocket nut is left hand thread

=========

Quote:
Originally Posted by CanuckGal View Post
LOL Bob thanks for confirming what I guessed. I'll have to round up some ball bearings and see if I can find a couple that will fit.



"It's fine to disagree with other members as long as you respect their opinions"

Marc Sommerfeld Tools ,Videos
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT-n...RWaEpMA/videos

Find all threads started by bobj3
http://www.routerforums.com/search.php?searchid=944097



Last edited by bobj3; 04-02-2009 at 12:18 AM.
bobj3 is offline  
post #5 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-02-2009, 01:26 AM
Registered User
 
Ralph Barker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Country: United States
First Name: Ralph
Posts: 2,001
 
Default

My Hegner Multimax-2 is made differently. There is spring tension on the tension arm, but at the pivot point.

The black bracket on your looks like it might have been added to solve a bearing problem farther back on the arm? To the left of the tube, it also looks like the arm might have been welded. Can't tell from the pix. Check the arm to see how much lateral "slop" there is.

Assuming theres a small space between the ends of the tube and the bracket, you'd probably want a ball bearing on both sides that will just fit inside the tube, but not fall through the spring. An auto parts place might have them, if you don't find them on the floor.

- Ralph
Ralph Barker is offline  
post #6 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-02-2009, 01:37 AM Thread Starter
Retired Moderator
 
CanuckGal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Country: Canada
First Name: Deb
Posts: 3,132
 
Send a message via MSN to CanuckGal
Default

Ralph there was a LOT of grease on the bracket and arm, I cleaned most of it off but I think what you are thinking is a weld is just some grease I missed. It does look like there should be a ball bearing on both sides of the arm, I may have to make a new bracket as there are wear marks in the bracket and I am assuming that is how the bearings fell out in the first place.
I actually used this saw a few times before I decided to clean it up. It worked great, although it was incredibly noisy. I am assuming this was part of the problem.
Looks like the bearings have to be just under 1/4". I am going to run up to Fastenal tomorrow and see what they have. I will probably have to buy a hundred to replace 2
I might as well get new springs while I am at it.
Tool tune ups always seem to open a can of worms. I only paid 35.00 for the saw so a few more bucks invested in it won't hurt.
Thanks for the help guys

Last edited by CanuckGal; 04-02-2009 at 01:40 AM.
CanuckGal is offline  
post #7 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-02-2009, 03:06 PM
Registered User
 
CharleyL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Country: United States
First Name: Charley
Posts: 2,057
 
Default

That looks like the saw that PS Wood Machines sells (only theirs is orange). Woodworkers Supply sells the same saw (Green and Yellow). Their saw's catalog number is 140-063. You might try contacting them to see if what you need is available.

I once tried to buy the Woodworkers Supply model, but of the three that they had in stock, all had manufacturing problems and were'nt fit to sell. I ended up with a Delta scroll saw instead. As a result of that effort I had bought a quick blade release kit from PS Woodworking that I ended up never using. If you want it, send me a PM, and it's your's for the shipping costs, but first you need to get it running properly.

CharleyL
CharleyL is online now  
post #8 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-02-2009, 05:01 PM
Forum Contributor
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Country: United States
First Name: Bj
Posts: 23,786
       
Default

Hi Deb

Sounds like the best way to go is with a new bracket made out of
UHMW I'm almost you can find some in town or send off for some
and it's a good job for your new band saw

Characteristics:
  • The highest abrasion resistance
  • Outstanding impact strength even at low temperatures
  • Excellent sliding material due to low coefficient of friction
  • Self-lubricating
  • Easily machined with common woodworking tools
UHMW Plastic Sheets and Strips

=========
Quote:
Originally Posted by CanuckGal View Post
Ralph there was a LOT of grease on the bracket and arm, I cleaned most of it off but I think what you are thinking is a weld is just some grease I missed. It does look like there should be a ball bearing on both sides of the arm, I may have to make a new bracket as there are wear marks in the bracket and I am assuming that is how the bearings fell out in the first place.
I actually used this saw a few times before I decided to clean it up. It worked great, although it was incredibly noisy. I am assuming this was part of the problem.
Looks like the bearings have to be just under 1/4". I am going to run up to Fastenal tomorrow and see what they have. I will probably have to buy a hundred to replace 2
I might as well get new springs while I am at it.
Tool tune ups always seem to open a can of worms. I only paid 35.00 for the saw so a few more bucks invested in it won't hurt.
Thanks for the help guys



"It's fine to disagree with other members as long as you respect their opinions"

Marc Sommerfeld Tools ,Videos
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT-n...RWaEpMA/videos

Find all threads started by bobj3
http://www.routerforums.com/search.php?searchid=944097


bobj3 is offline  
post #9 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-02-2009, 06:52 PM Thread Starter
Retired Moderator
 
CanuckGal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Country: Canada
First Name: Deb
Posts: 3,132
 
Send a message via MSN to CanuckGal
Default

Charley that saw is close but not the same. Looks like where the bellows is on the WS saw is where my bracket is. My bellows are at the back of the arms. So I don't know if the blade release kit would work on mine either.

I found some ball bearings from Fastenal I am going to try. Unfortunately they weren't in stock. I'll get them sometime next week | As long as they fit I'm good to go. I did have to buy a hundred of them so if anyone needs any 7/32 steel balls let me know lol.

Bob I would think UHMW would be a little too flexible unless I made the bracket a lot thicker and I don't have the room between the arm and the frame. I can weld up a new bracket at work this weekend. But a thin UHMW liner on the inside of the bracket that could be replaced when it wears.... now that's an idea! I have siome kicking around that I made a couple of router fences out of. I may give that a try!

I knew you guys would have all the answers
CanuckGal is offline  
post #10 of 14 (permalink) Old 04-02-2009, 07:42 PM
Forum Contributor
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Country: United States
First Name: Bj
Posts: 23,786
       
Default

Hi Deb

I'm a welder from a long time back ,,it's hard to get it true with heat pulling it to one side or the other but now if you can get to a mill that would work nice

The UHMW or Alum. is very rigid in the 3/4" or the 1 1/4" thick stuff, I think I would use a chunk of it and just cut it out on the band saw..all in one piece thing for a long time fix but the bearing just may work also..)

=

Quote:
Originally Posted by CanuckGal View Post
Charley that saw is close but not the same. Looks like where the bellows is on the WS saw is where my bracket is. My bellows are at the back of the arms. So I don't know if the blade release kit would work on mine either.

I found some ball bearings from Fastenal I am going to try. Unfortunately they weren't in stock. I'll get them sometime next week | As long as they fit I'm good to go. I did have to buy a hundred of them so if anyone needs any 7/32 steel balls let me know lol.

Bob I would think UHMW would be a little too flexible unless I made the bracket a lot thicker and I don't have the room between the arm and the frame. I can weld up a new bracket at work this weekend. But a thin UHMW liner on the inside of the bracket that could be replaced when it wears.... now that's an idea! I have siome kicking around that I made a couple of router fences out of. I may give that a try!

I knew you guys would have all the answers



"It's fine to disagree with other members as long as you respect their opinions"

Marc Sommerfeld Tools ,Videos
http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCT-n...RWaEpMA/videos

Find all threads started by bobj3
http://www.routerforums.com/search.php?searchid=944097


bobj3 is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the Router Forums forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in











Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Craftsman scroll saw part? Birch Wood Scrolling 9 09-11-2016 08:36 PM
Scroll sawn Shell Box and Scroll saw Wood Portraits scrollwolf Wood Scrolling 14 05-17-2011 05:20 PM
Help identify scroll saw & Band saw Kristin D Tools and Woodworking 11 11-29-2007 10:11 PM
Scroll Shelft bobj3 Wood Scrolling 32 09-04-2007 11:50 PM
Sold: NOW SOLD - Delta SS 350 Scroll Saw & Stand challagan Woodworking Classifieds 4 07-25-2007 06:12 PM

Posting Rules  
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome