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I have a Laguna 14-12 bandsaw that I really like but the ceramic guides drive me a bit nuts especially the lower guides. For me I need to raise the table to 45 degrees to get the lower guides adjusted and the adjustment to move the back guide is two knobs that are hard to get to otherwise and there's no easy way to see if the move is straight or not. That and the actual process to tilt the table is rougher than should be. So I have seen a few Carter Product videos and like what I'm seeing but is it all smoke and mirrors or do these actually work as great as they claim. The upgrade kit for my Laguna is $274 plus shipping so at $290 it isn't chump change. So if you have feedback on this product I'd love to hear it. I'm not looking to spend more money but rather improve my bandsaw especially with resawing wood. The product in question is here.
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I had Carter guides on my old Delta bandsaw and while it took a little while to get used to them, the eventually became very easy to adjust. I sold that and bought the same Laguna you have and have found the adjustments somewhat easier since the guides actually touch the blade, albiet very lightly.

I generally keep a half inch blade installed so I haven't had much need to adjust the bottom guides. I think based on my Carter experience, that you'll like them. Follow their instructions on installation and you should have few problems. Don't let the back guide ride on the back edge of the blade, It should be close, but only touch if you press on the blade. How the blade rides on the tire is also important, I like the back of the gullet to ride about center on the tire.

You'll want to be careful not to let their 3/4 Resaw King plade's tips touch the Carter guide, It will likely damage the blade and/or the guides. I have a little 12 inch Rikon/WEN saw with a narrow blade mounted for quick and easy cuts in my shop, which is easier than changing blades in the Laguna.
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I have a Laguna 14-12 bandsaw that I really like but the ceramic guides drive me a bit nuts especially the lower guides. For me I need to raise the table to 45 degrees to get the lower guides adjusted and the adjustment to move the back guide is two knobs that are hard to get to otherwise and there's no easy way to see if the move is straight or not. That and the actual process to tilt the table is rougher than should be. So I have seen a few Carter Product videos and like what I'm seeing but is it all smoke and mirrors or do these actually work as great as they claim. The upgrade kit for my Laguna is $274 plus shipping so at $290 it isn't chump change. So if you have feedback on this product I'd love to hear it. I'm not looking to spend more money but rather improve my bandsaw especially with resawing wood. The product in question is here.

I'm really happy with my carter stuff I got for my delta. i'd think they would perform the same. I got the stabilizer and a fence too. they aint cheap but it did make my 25 year old saw work better than when it was new

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I had Carter guides on my old Delta bandsaw and while it took a little while to get used to them, the eventually became very easy to adjust. I sold that and bought the same Laguna you have and have found the adjustments somewhat easier since the guides actually touch the blade, albiet very lightly.

I generally keep a half inch blade installed so I haven't had much need to adjust the bottom guides. I think based on my Carter experience, that you'll like them. Follow their instructions on installation and you should have few problems. Don't let the back guide ride on the back edge of the blade, It should be close, but only touch if you press on the blade. How the blade rides on the tire is also important, I like the back of the gullet to ride about center on the tire.

You'll want to be careful not to let their 3/4 Resaw King plade's tips touch the Carter guide, It will likely damage the blade and/or the guides. I have a little 12 inch Rikon/WEN saw with a narrow blade mounted for quick and easy cuts in my shop, which is easier than changing blades in the Laguna.
Tom that's great feedback. With the Laguna guides I have them at a business card thickness between the side guards and the instructions say to kiss the back of the blade but that causes sparks when sawing wood and no matter how much they claim the guides stay cool if there's sparks the blade is getting hot and that's an issue. Backing off the rear guide seems to help some with occasional sparks. To me that says I'm either pushing too hard or the blade is too loose. The blade tightness guide with the scale and pointer is a fair guide but who knows how close to being what it should be. I expect the 1/2" 3TPI blade I have in now to be resident most of the time and maybe the 3/4" 3TPI some times. BTW, I had an issue with a rather new Timberwolf 3/4" blade and sent them an email along with a few pictures hoping they could help me figure out what happened. They looked and weren't sure but they said they are sending me a new blade regardless. I can't complain about that. I do set the bottom of the gullet to the center of the wheel and I don't get drift. What would be convenient is if they marked the center of the tires as a reference. As for the teeth on the blades I have the guides set so they are near the gullet and the blades teeth are clear and can't touch the guides.

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Looks like Carter has some excellent baking users. It's always good to know you aren't swimming in unknown waters. As for the Laguna Resaw King blade, I don't have one and probably never will. It has to be the most expensive resaw blade out there. At $159 I'll try the others first. For comparison I have a 1/2" and 3/4" Highland Woodworking Wood Slicer due here tomorrow to compare directly to my Timberwolf blades. If I were doing a ton of resawing maybe and yet still I may end up eating these words and end up with one yet. It advertises as super smooth and yet I see videos from qualified users not so happy with the "super smooth" cuts. This will be something that may wash out differently but for now I need to test these others. I expect to need to plane/sand the thicker boards to finish size. For the thinner say for inlays I'll probably need to sand. Just to be clear, I do make sure the wood is flat and square by using the jointer on the boards. On the thicker boards where more than 2-3 cuts will be made I flatten both sides, cut each one, then flatten again. Each resawn broad has a flat reference side. Then either the drum sander and or planer is used to finish size.
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It is your money to speed but the guides do not have to be adjusted that often. Even with Carter roller guides you still have to adjust them. The ceramic guides work good on dry lumber. Roller Guides work good for dry wood but are especially good for green and wet lumber. I do not have a Laguna but maybe it would be more practical to remove the table and adjust your guides when changing a blade. Some sawa are easier to remove the table than others. The blade is much more important than the guides. A good blade makes sawing much more pleasurable.

Laguna makes their carbide blade but really they just get others to make them. The Lenox Woodmaster Carbide Tooth blade is made in the USA and I can tell you it is excellent in both cut quality and noise reduction. I ordered my from Spectrum Supply and they weld it to your length and send it in about a week. Spectrum Supply was the cheapest price I found for the Lenox Woodmaster CT Blade. The carbide blade costs more than a regular blade but lasts much longer and cuts much better.

Spend your money on a good blade and use your stock blade guides, or buy new guides and still get a new blade.

I used to use the PS Wood blades because I had an under powered 14" bandsaw. I upgraded to a SCM Minimax S400P 16" 5HP bandsaw and it is night and day difference.
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We have the ceramic guides on our Laguna 14SUV and they've been great. I see no reason to make any changes.

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Good info Guy but looking at the Lenox Woodmaster CT Blade the shortest width is 1" and that's too big for this 14" saw. Max blade width is 3/4" on mine. I had thought about removing the table which is straight forward on blade changes but the blade slot is 90 degrees to the front meaning it would need to be rotated to remove. The distance to the post is less than an inch and even with the insert removed there simply isn't room to clear. At least that's been my experience but I can say I've tried too many times. As a reference I've attached a few pictures with the 1/2" Timber Wolf blade installed.
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