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thermal set glue..

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David has a point; if the edging was thicker, contact cement would be a lot more efficient. You'd have to cut the edging oversize to avoid alignment nightmares (and rout it flush after).
Art; you mentioned cost of banding being too high. I don't think you're including the cost of your own labour.
If it wasn't cost efficient, it wouldn't be the industry standard for edging. Comments re heat bonding are certainly valid but I'm pretty sure there's an explanation for the failures. Maybe too much or too little heat being applied?
Maybe Stick has an explanation?
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How about FastCap Speed Tape. I believe it was designed for thin edge banding.
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  • how many edges
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1... cost of banding being too high.
2... Maybe Stick has an explanation?
1.. I totally disagree w/ that..
2... I need more detailed input from Art...

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Contact glue?
that many LF of narrow strips and them needing finishing will quickly get out of control...

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I generally cut banding at least a quarter inch thick, and sometimes more. It is also a reinforcement to help fight sagging, particularly for shelves holding books. If the shelf is wide, I use much wider edges for further reinforcement. I don't much like the look of iron on, but with so many linier feet of shelving, it is probably a good choice. I think Stick is right about using contact cement. When I do use iron on bands, I use a trimmer like the one in the picture.
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[QUOTE=Stick486;1980499]that many LF of narrow strips and them needing finishing will quickly get out of control...[/QUOTE

Each unit has 42 liner feet of banding. I am cutting the strips 1/16" thick and finishing them all at once by laying them flat on a table and giving them three coats. Working by myself it take about 6 minutes to band one shelf. When I had extra hands I was doing 15 an hour.
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that many LF of narrow strips and them needing finishing will quickly get out of control...[/QUOTE

1... Each unit has 42 liner feet of banding.
2... I am cutting the strips 1/16" thick and finishing them all at once by laying them flat on a table and giving them three coats.
3... Working by myself it take about 6 minutes to band one shelf. When I had extra hands I was doing 15 an hour.
1... at 70 units that's this side of 3,000 LF...
2... WHAT A WASTE of material... every cut (saw cut) wastes money, material and time/labor.. not to mention all the extra sanding and fallout.
everything you are doing has tangible and intangible costs... Ignore any of it and you'll never make any money.. you'll be losing money...
1 saw cut = 3 or 4 bands turned into saw dust...
you can get edge banding prefinished...
there are PSA bandings also...
3... there is no way in Hades you are you are doing one unit in 6 minutes...
you need to see the whole picture - cut + finish + glue up/clean up + on/off clamping + trim...
iron on pretty much drops cutting, material waste, glue up, on/off clamping w/associated labor times from the itinerary...

rethink your process...
iron on the banding... The industry standard because it is cost effective...
stack the units using stickers or kids playing jacks as spacers..
finish the banding in place...
after the finish is dry bulk trim the banding... (PDF/photo)...
no clamping required...
no glue squeeze out to fret over...
use a blond banding that you can make look like any wood you want..
the over width banding getting finished before trimming pretty much insures that you will keep the finish off of the prefinished ply..
the light RO??? form fitted sanding block...

rethink your finishing too...
see the wood finish PDF...

buy an edge banding machine...

https://www.familyhandyman.com/woodw...ging/view-all/
these guys are top shelf...
https://www.veneersupplies.com/produ...0-Iron-On.html

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lets change things...
in the picture, dadoes are cut in the end spacing boards...
use spacing blocks made from scrap instead...

NOTE:
trimming bits can be had w/ the RO in them from Freud and Whiteside...
the WS bit is straight face trim as where the Freud has a slight relief to it which holds the cutter away from the face of what you are trimming..



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