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FWIW, the Woodpecker triangle is a second release. I bought one when it was first released in 2017. I use it often, and am glad to have it. Is is overpriced? Maybe. However, there was enough demand to release it again.

Look at TSO products' webside. They have a similar product (18") that's $10 cheaper. The TSO version has dog holes designed to be used with the Festool MFT3, which is a big plus for Festool MFT3 owners. BTW, the TSO guide rail square, which clamps to Festool guide rails, is very slick and works very well.

The cost versus utility issue has been around for a long time, and will probably be around forever. There are folks who wouldn't give up their Festool Kapex chop saw, and others who think it's insane to spend $1,495 for any chop saw. Who's right? Depends on what features you want, and what you can afford.

There are times I choose to make do, because the cost/benefit favors making do. Other times, it's worth the cost - at least to me. When it comes to tools, don't we all go through some sort of cost/benefit analysis, even if unconsciously?

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The quality/cost thing applies to me. I bought my tools while my income was higher, but today the income has gone down, so I'm more careful about what I buy. But I have no regrets whenever I pick up a nice tool from my "flush" period. Breath problems and unreliable voice have cost me plenty in annual income, but now I have time to spend fiddling in the shop. But every once in awhile I run across something like this that I'd have just ordered a couple of years ago. The 12 inch model is a temptress, but I get by with my Rockler triangle or an engineering square I bought years ago.

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@tulowd Paul, Good points. I own two Woodpecker items. One is the router table mounting plate for my Triton. Thick, strong, twist lock inserts, and nice looking to boot. The other item is their fence gauge, which has enabled me to get everything parallel, miter slot, blade, fence. Also discovered my fence is about 3-4 thousandths irregular along its length. Negligible, but nice to know how accurate it really is. I do like precision, at least as much as is possible with wood. The gauge is also kind of handsome.
That is a good-looking gauge. It's one of those things you might not need often, but when you do, you've got a precision tool.

Now I have gauge envy.

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Like the idea of the fence gauge Tom. A bit xy here though $230 AUD I'm envious it would be handy.
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@tulowd Paul, Good points. I own two Woodpecker items. One is the router table mounting plate for my Triton. Thick, strong, twist lock inserts, and nice looking to boot. The other item is their fence gauge, which has enabled me to get everything parallel, miter slot, blade, fence. Also discovered my fence is about 3-4 thousandths irregular along its length. Negligible, but nice to know how accurate it really is. I do like precision, at least as much as is possible with wood. The gauge is also kind of handsome.
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Like the idea of the fence gauge Tom. A bit xy here though $230 AUD I'm envious it would be handy.
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That is an outlandish price. I paid far less back when I bought it, but that was US dollars. It is a tool I really like to use. Really interesting method they used to make it center in the miter slot. Two small free standing steel rods lay flat in the slot, a third on the tool registers between the two, making them fill out the slot completely. Perfect registration method, and a nice case to keep it all together. If money were loose again, I'd probably pop for the 12 inch speed square for frame making.

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Like the idea of the fence gauge Tom. A bit xy here though $230 AUD I'm envious it would be handy.
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Yeah, I like it too. I would seldom use one tho, BUT after looking at the picture, and reading what Tom said, think I can make a working version for less than $20 USD, depending on how pricey a gauge I bought. Amazon prices start at around $12 I think. Got other things more important, but may give it a shot one day.
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$220 Speed Square!!??!! What?

Got an offer for a new Woodpecker item, a "Precision" oversized speed square in 18 inch and 12 inch sizes. The smaller one is only $150. That includes a wooden case, and for $330, you can get both. Order in metric or imperial.

I'm always amazed at what they come up with, and the prices they set. I'd like to have a precision speed square, but I don't think I could ever justify something like that. However, I can see that it would dramatically increase the precision of a track saw's cuts if you're making cabinets, and for that, the 18 inch model would be very good. If you don't have a table saw and use a track saw instead, well, that changes the equation a bit.

It does have a removable "hook" that is indexed so you get the same precision when you reattach it. That means the smaller one could be useful for frame making and other mitered projects. Placed on the inside corner it would help square your glue-up. $150 for the 12 inch without a case, I'd make my own case. Delivery expected in June.

I'm not going to pony up for this thing, instead, I'll keep using the thick Rockler clear plastic draftsman's triangle. Anyone got a comment?

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I have a 12" aluminum square (mine by Empire but Swanson makes one also) and found that it wasn't giving good results, depending on which of the three surfaces on the base leg were used. I took it to a local machine shop and had them take a light cut on all four surfaces to true it up. Business was slow so they charged me a whole $25 to put it on a milling machine and true it up, and included a demo on their CMM (coordinate measuring machine) of the results for me. If I'd realized how good a deal that was, I'd have run down to Lowes/HD and picked up a couple more. Photos show me checking the finished part against my Woodpeckers' square, last two with the inside faces hooked onto the machined edge of the table saw.
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I have a few of their rulers, bought when the price seemed appropriate for the increased accuracy compared to what I already had. I was very disappointed by the readability of the numbers - white on red is quite hard for me to see, and the numbers are TINY. My other rulers and squares are black on aluminum - much easier on the eyes. If I pay a premium, I want to able to actuality enjoy using the tool... Squinting brings headaches...

I also have their drill press add-on table. There I don't need to read numbers, just set it up for the particular project I'm working on. It is a good product, holds the material well (with multiple options) and is easy to use. The quality is similar to Rockler's (blue vs. red...) Don't remember how much it cost, but it must have been reasonable at the time (I always buy at reasonable prices; however the definition of 'reasonable' is subject to change...).

In addition, I also have their small square (4" I think) - very handy, particularly with the ability to mark two faces without moving the square. Once again, hardly any need to read the numbers. Price was reasonable too...

I am considering buying their router lift, but it's still in competition to similarly priced lifts from Kreg, JessEm and Rockler (and all are currently over budget for me).

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I have a few of their rulers, bought when the price seemed appropriate for the increased accuracy compared to what I already had. I was very disappointed by the readability of the numbers - white on red is quite hard for me to see, and the numbers are TINY. My other rulers and squares are black on aluminum - much easier on the eyes. If I pay a premium, I want to able to actuality enjoy using the tool... Squinting brings headaches...

I also have their drill press add-on table. There I don't need to read numbers, just set it up for the particular project I'm working on. It is a good product, holds the material well (with multiple options) and is easy to use. The quality is similar to Rockler's (blue vs. red...) Don't remember how much it cost, but it must have been reasonable at the time (I always buy at reasonable prices; however the definition of 'reasonable' is subject to change...).

In addition, I also have their small square (4" I think) - very handy, particularly with the ability to mark two faces without moving the square. Once again, hardly any need to read the numbers. Price was reasonable too...

I am considering buying their router lift, but it's still in competition to similarly priced lifts from Kreg, JessEm and Rockler (and all are currently over budget for me).

I can tell you the Woodpecker router lift is much faster to use for bit height and bit changes than anything else I've seen in my OCD hunt for a router lift. The idea of disconnecting the lift and positioning the router in 1 second really makes the crank style seem archaic and needlessly time consuming. The micro adjuster and locking feature are also machine shop precision level.

I closed my eyes and choked when I spent the $1000 on a table top, fence and lift; but I'm glad I bought the best thing out there and have enjoyed modding it to fit into my limited space. The quality really is over the top, despite the Rolls Royce line of credit required.
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Thanks, Paul. That's very valuable to know.

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