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I have an ancient Craftsman corded drill. Haven't used it in years.
I have 3 or 4 old corded drills. The only one I bought was a cheap B&D in 1976 or 76, still works, still use it regularly. The others were given to me, and all way over 20 years - were old when given to me - and all still work, and are still used, regularly.

At this moment there are no plans for cordless woodworking tools of any kind, unless they are hand powered - got two eggbeater drills, and a nice brace and bit; besides the handsaws, an old Craftsman mitre saw that looks almost new, and various other hand tools.

And, as so often happens, there is a however. At times a CNC shop makes available free plywood sheets, that they have CNCd material out of. Plenty of wood sized to do a number of my projects. Here's the however. However, they will load anything less than a pallet load, anything less you load yourself. Got no way of carrying that much at once. So, if, and when, some comes available my only recourse is to cut some sheets up, and load those pieces. Which means either a handsaw (don't think I could hack that much use of one at one time), or a battery powered saw. I'll just have to wait and see if the wood pops up again.
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The cordless vs corded will go on as long as some buy Chevy and some buy Fords. I use Dewalt 20 Drill, 6.5" Circ Saw and 4.5" side grinder. I also have had a Makita 18V drill and 18v driver for a long time. All of my tools have the lithium batteries and they seem to last forever. The only reason to use corded would be power requirements. For Christmas I bought my son in law a Dewalt 60V Chainsaw. The 60V dewalt batteries can be run on the 20 volt tools. zthey are not 60 volt in the 20 volt tools but rather are three 20v batteries used sequentially. In the 60V Chainsaw they use the full 60 volt power but only 20 v at a time on the 20 volt tools. FYI the 20 Volt Dewalt is really only 18V. They market in the US as 20 but because the Europeans make them be more truthful in advertising the same tools are marked 18 V in the EU.

Yesterday I was at Lowes and they offered a new bare Dewalt tool and you get a pair of 4 amp hour batteries and a charger for free. I would really like a 20V Dewalt 5" random orbit sander especially if the batteries are free. May go back and get the sander with free batteries.

One negative about the Dewalt batteries is most of the drills come with the small battery. That battery works great with the drill, but I have the cir saw and the grinder and the small battery wont last until the water gets hot. The circ saw has a brake that is engaged every time you let off the trigger. It drains the battery more than the cutting. The side grinder also has the brake and eats up the battery. I bought two 5 amp/hour batteries and they solve the battery life problem but at a cost. So now I have 4 batteries for my Dewalt tools, two small and two large and the mix works for my uses.

If you buy cordless I would get Dewalt for a couple of reasons. Hitachi is becoming Metabo and the name change can sink a company, plus will the new company carry parts for the older Hitachi line. Porter Cable is a low end consumer brand that is just good enough. They use a lot of plastic in the transmissions and will never stand the test of time. Makita makes a good line of tools but they are pricey. Craftsman has been sold to Lowes and they are replacing their Cobalt line with the Craftsman. The long term viability of Craftsman is in doubt in my mind.

When you go on a job site you see a low of yellow Dewalt. The reason is pros just want their tools to work.
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The cordless vs corded will go on as long as some buy Chevy and some buy Fords. I use Dewalt 20 Drill, 6.5" Circ Saw and 4.5" side grinder. I also have had a Makita 18V drill and 18v driver for a long time. All of my tools have the lithium batteries and they seem to last forever. The only reason to use corded would be power requirements. For Christmas I bought my son in law a Dewalt 60V Chainsaw. The 60V dewalt batteries can be run on the 20 volt tools. zthey are not 60 volt in the 20 volt tools but rather are three 20v batteries used sequentially. In the 60V Chainsaw they use the full 60 volt power but only 20 v at a time on the 20 volt tools. FYI the 20 Volt Dewalt is really only 18V. They market in the US as 20 but because the Europeans make them be more truthful in advertising the same tools are marked 18 V in the EU.

Yesterday I was at Lowes and they offered a new bare Dewalt tool and you get a pair of 4 amp hour batteries and a charger for free. I would really like a 20V Dewalt 5" random orbit sander especially if the batteries are free. May go back and get the sander with free batteries.

One negative about the Dewalt batteries is most of the drills come with the small battery. That battery works great with the drill, but I have the cir saw and the grinder and the small battery wont last until the water gets hot. The circ saw has a brake that is engaged every time you let off the trigger. It drains the battery more than the cutting. The side grinder also has the brake and eats up the battery. I bought two 5 amp/hour batteries and they solve the battery life problem but at a cost. So now I have 4 batteries for my Dewalt tools, two small and two large and the mix works for my uses.

If you buy cordless I would get Dewalt for a couple of reasons. Hitachi is becoming Metabo and the name change can sink a company, plus will the new company carry parts for the older Hitachi line. Porter Cable is a low end consumer brand that is just good enough. They use a lot of plastic in the transmissions and will never stand the test of time. Makita makes a good line of tools but they are pricey. Craftsman has been sold to Lowes and they are replacing their Cobalt line with the Craftsman. The long term viability of Craftsman is in doubt in my mind.

When you go on a job site you see a low of yellow Dewalt. The reason is pros just want their tools to work.
I had 3 14.4 Makita drills and gave them away , well the batteries were all hooped .
Went with Dewalt ,then bought a second pair with the brushless technology. Love the light weight and never find myself reaching for the old one .
I’d sooner have multiple chargers going with light batteries ,then a heavy bulky drill .
I don’t believe in battery powered skil saws, only drills and maybe reciprocating saws.
Well I guess whipper snappers ,as I have a Dewalt one of those to

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The cordless vs corded will go on as long as some buy Chevy and some buy Fords.
You guys go at it all you want. If I can't handle my needs with a corded tool and an extension cord, I don't need to do it. My number one drill is still the cheapo corded B&D I got in 1975-76. My battery tools are flashlights. And I'm content.
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You guys go at it all you want. If I can't handle my needs with a corded tool and an extension cord, I don't need to do it. My number one drill is still the cheapo corded B&D I got in 1975-76. My battery tools are flashlights. And I'm content.
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Just may be? My router table already is CNC - cute n cuddley. Hehehe

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Nope, they have cords. He'll fit in just fine
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Tim... I haven't read the other responses but here is my take. Battery powered power tools need to be replaced when the batteries die or you need to buy new batteries. The length of time before the batteries die? 3 years? The cost of new batteries? about the cost of a new tool. With my experience the tool is fine but the batteries are no good.

I love the convenience of battery powered tools. I hate it when the batteries die because I know I am stuck buying a new tool every 3 years when if it was corded and a quality tool a lifetime is feasible.

I just ordered replacement batteries for my 18v Dewalt. I decided on the non Dewalt batteries for $35 compared to their $149. It's a gamble but if the batteries last a year or more I will replace the tool(s) instead of the batteries when the next battery suicide takes place.

I believe the only battery operated tool in the future for me will be a drill.
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Tim... I haven't read the other responses but here is my take. Battery powered power tools need to be replaced when the batteries die or you need to buy new batteries. The length of time before the batteries die? 3 years? The cost of new batteries? about the cost of a new tool. With my experience the tool is fine but the batteries are no good.



I love the convenience of battery powered tools. I hate it when the batteries die because I know I am stuck buying a new tool every 3 years when if it was corded and a quality tool a lifetime is feasible.



I just ordered replacement batteries for my 18v Dewalt. I decided on the non Dewalt batteries for $35 compared to their $149. It's a gamble but if the batteries last a year or more I will replace the tool(s) instead of the batteries when the next battery suicide takes place.



I believe the only battery operated tool in the future for me will be a drill.

This is exactly my concern.

Supposedly a battery has 500 charges. If I charge once every 2 months (Iím far from a heavy user, this is already being generous). So I would get get 80 years? Itís too good to be true. Iím guessing there is something like an expiry date.

The boss of Dyson once said their V10 cordless vacuum can last up to 10 years under normal usage. But their battery is supposedly something more advanced than lithium ion (I donít remember what).

10 years is perhaps too much to ask on a power tool battery, with very light use, do you think 5 years is possible? If it is 2-3 years shelf life, I would think it is not worth it for me. 2 batteries is like $100+, like you said thatís the price of a decent power tool. And as others has mentioned, if it is worth it or not depends on how much one uses them.

At the moment I am almost set on the Bosch 18V rotary hammer and a may be a circular saw too since Amazon is having a $20 off. I chose Bosch over Dewalt or Makita because locally their tools + battery combo is much more competitive than the others, even beating online prices.
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