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Heís in Australia, I believe the price listed isnít in USD.


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He’s in Australia, I believe the price listed isn’t in USD.
Correct, Australian dollars. Including the Australia tax we seem to pay on many things sadly. I won't have to pay quite that price though, as when Total Tools have an insider night I've been told I should be able to get a 20% discount.

It will still be more than the conversion rate at the moment, but that's the joy of buying imported US equipment. We just can't get it anywhere near as cheaply.
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Unless you're a gluten for punishment without a table saw you aren't going to be doing much traditional woodworking. I have two of them and could probably use another one. A router is a nice extra tool to have and there are times that it really comes in handy. But handy and needed are two separate things. You need to have a table saw or a radial arm saw, if you don't then IMHO you don't have a shop.
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Spot on, Art.
If you're young(er) and reasonably fit, you can do a lot of TS type operations with a circ.saw and various jigs and accessories, but it's not a lot of fun doing them that way, never mind the precision.
Doing any amount of casework without a TS is simply a royal p.i.t.a.
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Spot on, Art.
If you're young(er) and reasonably fit, you can do a lot of TS type operations with a circ.saw and various jigs and accessories, but it's not a lot of fun doing them that way, never mind the precision.
Doing any amount of casework without a TS is simply a royal p.i.t.a.
didn't a lot of us start out doing our case work w/ a CS and straight edge...

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You betcha! And got fairly good at it.
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It's hard to give feedback because the tools available are quite different in other parts of the world. This is not my favorite saw, in the USA. Here I would go for the Bosch 4100, but I'm not sure you have it in Oz. However, I think DeWalt has improved this saw since I last looked at it, and DeWalt is going for a hither end place in the tool world.
@DesertRatTom , the problem outside of North America is that our markets are miniscule, we are metric, we have 220V mains supply (single phase, 380V three-phase). So we get models that are sold in UK and Europe. So, the Bosch equivalent of the 4100 is available ($900-odd US) as well as the DeWalt ($1000 US) . The problem for me is the UK/EU specification, of a 30mm blade bore. This means most (if not all) dado stacks are out, as well as the Freud box joint blades.
The Sawstop jobsite saw will take a dado stack, but costs the equivalent of $2250 US.

I have made do with a CS and RAS for 40 yrs, and mostly have not missed a TS, especially once I made a router table 30 yrs ago. I have a dado set and a moulding cutter head, largely replaced by the routers. But I was keen on the Freud box-joint blades. When they were launched here, they were surprisingly affordable, now of course they have rocketed (as our currency has plunged). I have made box joints on the RT, but the TS method struck me as more efficient and less dusty.

I must confess to never having laid claim to the degree of precision some of the members with Incra jigs take for granted. I am probably in denial about the imprecision of my joints.
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Unless you're a gluten for punishment without a table saw you aren't going to be doing much traditional woodworking. I have two of them and could probably use another one. A router is a nice extra tool to have and there are times that it really comes in handy. But handy and needed are two separate things. You need to have a table saw or a radial arm saw, if you don't then IMHO you don't have a shop.
While I agree that machinery certainly makes some jobs easier, there is a place for traditional woodworking - that is woodworking without power tools.
Having said that, I'm a fan of power tools and they are an integral part of my woodworking journey at this time.
While I don't have a table saw, I do have a circular saw and compound sliding mitre saw, so it hasn't all been sweat and tears. But I do recognize what a table saw will help with also.
I've been able to get by just fine without until now, and while I don't claim to have a "shop", I have had no issues producing pieces of furniture with the tools I have.
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I have a nice Triton track saw and think you could do pretty good case work with it, it is much easier and more accurate with the TS. When i started with woodworking instead of carpentry, the TS was what allowed me to move ahead.
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I use rough lumber, regardless of the project. So for me the table saw is one of the "big 3" tools in my shop. The other 2 are the jointer and planer. Yes I have done my projects with hand tools, but as I get older it is just easier and quicker to use power tools. I have a track saw to break down ply, or large lumber that I can't control on the table saw. To help me with larger pieces, I have added a sliding table to the TS, and have two separate infeed tables to help with support when needed. An accurate table saw with a sharp blade is one of life's little pleasures.
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