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Maybe with router bits we could put together a list of the ones we use most and describe what they can do and why we use them and maybe add some pictures of examples. That might help them figure out what type bits they would be interested in. Once we have what we think is a winning compilation it can be made into a sticky thread or added as a link into an existing sticky thread.

Excellent idea...I will make sure it is in the outline...maybe we can set up a poll at some point to get a read on it...thanks for adding to the project...

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Thanks, Stick...the Rockler PDF on choosing bits has a lot of the topics I woud have wanted to cover...it is an excellent start and it could be even better if there were some experiences to go with it...for example, how to choose which of those bit categories should be purchased from whom. You've mentioned customer service, availability, return policy, etc...which are not covered in the PDF.

Can you put together a quick summary covering these things and more...? Greatly appreciated...

You don't need to narrate...just some bullet items that we can put words around later...

Thanks for adding to this...

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No special permits are needed when using square drive screw drivers. They are pretty hard to hurt yourself with.

LMAO...I particularly enjoyed the history lesson re: Robertson screwdriver...

Having said that, it is obvious we will first need to test applicants to the project team...maybe a background check...?

For example...Are they from Canada...? Have they ever hurt themselves with a square drive screwdriver...? Do they know what a square drive screw driver is...? And how it is used...?

If they answer "Yes" to any of the above they would, of course, be disqualified... ...don't want to take any chances...LOL

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BTW...did I mention you will be compensated for submitting ideas/input into this project...?

Yes...you will have the honor of writing up the section that you submitted. Think of it...you will be "published"...!

You will leave a legacy that will remain in the archives forever to be embedded in the minds of those who will take the advice you offered...

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One legitimate use for a flat screwdriver is tightening hose clamps, many of which still have a flat slot. They arealso very useful for opening a can of paint or wax. Try using a star or philips for that.

Having written a sticky on the 18 things, 10 pages long with pictures, I think this is an OK project but who knows if it will do any good. We could survey a list of brands and have everyone rate them. What would be a basic kit of high quality bits you buy individually. Say a kit of 6, another of 12 and possibly 18. This would be specific type of bit, 18 total, and then the reader could choose the quality level they like. Maybe 3 of 4 levels. Most votes wins, or judgement call by the committee.

What would be next, at least to me, would be specialty and purpose made bits. For example door sets, spiral up or down cut, slot cutters, box cutting bits, finger joint bits, rabbeting bits of various types, matched sets.

Pricing would be tough and require ongoing maintenance, so I'd skip that.

It would also need to have a primer on various router types, not brands. All the safety and other information that Stiock has gathered should be linked. It's too much for a sticky post.

Any bit we post should have a sample of the cut it makes, and it wouldn't hurt to have this all in a pdf as well as a post. Making an illustrated sticky post would require a lot of detailed layout work. I built and keep expanding my 18 things in Word, then print to a pdf so I can update it. It is easier to put illustrations in that way. A Sticky will also gradually collect comments, so after awhile, it will be annoyingly long.

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Thanks, Stick...the Rockler PDF on choosing bits has a lot of the topics I woud have wanted to cover...it is an excellent start and it could be even better if there were some experiences to go with it...for example, how to choose which of those bit categories should be purchased from whom. You've mentioned customer service, availability, return policy, etc...which are not covered in the PDF.

Can you put together a quick summary covering these things and more...? Greatly appreciated...

You don't need to narrate...just some bullet items that we can put words around later...

Thanks for adding to this...
but I did... (post #8)

Choosing Woodworking Equipment,Tools & Machinery
1st and most important, I look to the company...
evaluate their CS/TS and will they step up to the plate should there be issues...
see if they have a planned obsolesce program in force...
what will the company and their product do for me...
try to figure out if they will respect me in the morning...
no sense in buying something that can't be fixed a few years later, find repair parts for or get crap for support...

next the product...
quality..
availability..
will it have a long productive life...
will it do more than I need it to....
is it a good value...
will it protect my bottom line...
will it go the extra mile...
will it go obsolete or become disposable in short order...
tools and tooling that don't cut the mustard, suffer down time, hurt production and the bottom line need to left on the store shelf and avoided...
w/ trying most of the major brands and experiencing poor support/rapport from many and through the process of elimination I went w/ and favor Freud bits and tooling and Bosch routers...

Opinion

Both, Bosch and Freud's CS/TS is next level outstanding...
their products have proven to be a good value...
this goes for Whiteside bits and their CS/TS also...

Online reviews...

those I don't too much...
read a few too many that my VOE said other wise...
I prefer to use and abuse different brands and evaluate them myself and I pay attention at large job sites as to who has what and what, if any, issues they are having......
I think the testers should eval a tool and then put it in production mode for a few years and then do another eval..

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BTW...did I mention you will be compensated for submitting ideas/input into this project...?

Yes...you will have the honor of writing up the section that you submitted. Think of it...you will be "published"...!

You will leave a legacy that will remain in the archives forever to be embedded in the minds of those who will take the advice you offered...

Can it get any more exciting...? You will forever be scribed in the annals of Routerforums history...!
can I get away w/ saying ''Bite Me'' here...
your thread Nick...
you be the editor/publisher.....
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One legitimate use for a flat screwdriver is tightening hose clamps, many of which still have a flat slot. They arealso very useful for opening a can of paint or wax. Try using a star or philips for that.

Having written a sticky on the 18 things, 10 pages long with pictures, I think this is an OK project but who knows if it will do any good. We could survey a list of brands and have everyone rate them. What would be a basic kit of high quality bits you buy individually. Say a kit of 6, another of 12 and possibly 18. This would be specific type of bit, 18 total, and then the reader could choose the quality level they like. Maybe 3 of 4 levels. Most votes wins, or judgement call by the committee.

What would be next, at least to me, would be specialty and purpose made bits. For example door sets, spiral up or down cut, slot cutters, box cutting bits, finger joint bits, rabbeting bits of various types, matched sets.

Pricing would be tough and require ongoing maintenance, so I'd skip that.

It would also need to have a primer on various router types, not brands. All the safety and other information that Stiock has gathered should be linked. It's too much for a sticky post.

Any bit we post should have a sample of the cut it makes, and it wouldn't hurt to have this all in a pdf as well as a post. Making an illustrated sticky post would require a lot of detailed layout work. I built and keep expanding my 18 things in Word, then print to a pdf so I can update it. It is easier to put illustrations in that way. A Sticky will also gradually collect comments, so after awhile, it will be annoyingly long.

Great topics, Tom, thanks...I will add your bullets (highlighted) and considerations to the initial outline (some have already been captured)...I'm hoping to have something out to you guys tomorrow/Monday ...this is already turning out to be a good turnout between Cherryville, Stick and yourself...I am in the process of writing up the "PURPOSE" of the document and will send that out for comments/suggestions sooner.

I agree about the maintenance and likely do as you suggest regarding the cost. I thought about that and wondered if ranges associated with the bits we discuss might be the answer...dunno, yet.

I have an idea about how to link to this but need to formulate better and then submit to Moderators and Admin for consideration...what has been done with yours and Stick's PDF's and writeups might fit that idea as well. Will let you know soon...

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can I get away w/ saying ''Bite Me'' here...
your thread Nick...
you be the editor/publisher.....

Nope...not a chance...LOL...

...don't you want to go down in the annals of RF history...?

If I have to do the "words" you will have to submit to countless interviews...

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