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Default Collaborative Project...who wants to participate...?

Maybe this is in the wrong area...Moderators feel free to relocate.

Ladies and gentlemen...I have an idea prompted by a recent discussion...Let's collaborate on the topic "HOW TO SELECT ROUTER BITS"... If this has already been done, by all means respond with a link and I can put this to bed...thanks in advance for reading...

Here's what I'm thinking...gather a small number of like-minded individuals that believe in "HOW TO..." rather than "WHAT..." In other words, let's create something that tells a newcomer "HOW TO" make a selection of bit(s) rather than blandly responding with "BUY THIS..." At this point I'm not sure how long it will take...days/weeks...it doesn't matter...it'll be good when it's over.

1. Let's put a team together to concentrate on different aspects of making a selection of bits to start woodworking with a router...

2. The team will select the areas to be covered...the team will agree (consensus model) on what these topics should be... We will also document the "Purpose" for this project. We will submit that "Purpose" to the forum members for comments/suggestions. We might use PM's to come to consensus.

3. Each of the team members will be responsible for a particular area...for example, carbide grades, low/medium/quality of bits based on experiences, what it takes to maintain a sharp bit, criteria to consider when purchasing, places to purchase, what not to do, safety, etc...

4. Each team member who volunteers for that area will do their own research...internet, forums, magazines, etc... and summarize the results in keeping with the purpose of this project... @Stick486 and others are likely to have much of this already documented...we can take advantage of that... Again, we could do this with PM's first...

5. Each documented area will go through a "peer review" made up of all the team members and then submitted to the forum for comments/suggestions...the final will become its own thread later... This too might be better done with PM's...

I am not an expert or experienced routerologist...I am fairly new to transitioning to power equipment having been at it for only about a dozen years. But because of my life-long background at working with virtual teams I feel this would be a contribution to the forum that I can make in return for all that I have gotten from the forum.

Maybe during this process we come up with other "HOW TO..." ideas that others may want to run with. Think of it, a library of "HOW TO's" that newcomers can go to and develop questions in making their initial purchases... Remember, this is for initial purchases...it is not intended to replace other areas of the Forum... If this turns out to become a "book", so be it...

I know many of you can use your woodworking and life-experience skills and backgrounds that can make this a very useful project. Join in...this will be fun... I would be honored to work with any of you...we could also use phone calls...I'm a good note-taker

If you are interested in participating let me know and we can start the project in this thread...pick some areas that a newcomer interested in making an initial bit purchase should consider...for example, carbide quality, profiles, customer service, USA vs import, manufacturers of bits (good and bad), etc...

For this initial interest-gathering/beginning, use 3-5 word phrases for suggestions...there is no right or wrong...all are likely to be included in the final product. Some will be consolidated for reading ease. Others can become a different "HOW TO..."

Once gathered I will submit back to the Forum with an initial outline...by then the team will likely be comprised by the member who made the suggestion. I will put a name to the area and post. Some members may choose to collaborate on one specific area. You can then shoot holes in it as you wish... Don't worry about making a suggestion if you don't want to be responsible for that area...somebody will jump in, I'm sure.

Ready for this challenge...?

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Can they be trusted with sharp objects?
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Can they be trusted with sharp objects?

All team members will first be certified as to the proper use and safety of a phillips screwdriver...unless they are already licensed for such use.

Members with extensive experience with flat screwdrivers will automatically be eligible, however, they will then need to be certified in phillips. No exceptions...

For the safety of the other team members, and themselves, and especially during the process of arriving at consensus, no users of other similarly sharp instruments will be allowed to participate...

Gotta have some rules...
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#1 Robertson's get a pass?
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#1 Robertson's get a pass?

Definitely not...! ! !

Any member professing the use of a Robertson is automatically deemed ineligible...even those that were in the top 5% of their "Robertson Class of Pointy Stuff" would need more extensive training. Project budget will not allow for the additional expenses for that level of training.

Since it's important for any member to not feel discriminated against, their application for team membership will be considered if they denounce that Satan's spirit is in the screwdriver. There can be no "Devil made me do it" excuses...

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As any woodworker/carpenter/construction guy knows. You can't use "do I need it?" as a criteria for buying a new tool. Whether or not you'll even ever use it is besides the point! For all you confused people out there, I will give you the listed reasons for buying a new tool straight from "The Man Bible" Chapter 35 Section 72 Subsection D Paragraph 23 states:

You simply buy a new tool because:
a) It's there
b) You can


I hope this has cleared up any questions any of you may have for buying new tools, and hopefully relieve some of the guilty feelings you may have about purchasing that new tool with the money you should have spent on a new dishwasher for your wife.

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All team members will first be certified as to the proper use and safety of a phillips screwdriver...unless they are already licensed for such use.

Members with extensive experience with flat screwdrivers will automatically be eligible, however, they will then need to be certified in phillips. No exceptions...

For the safety of the other team members, and themselves, and especially during the process of arriving at consensus, no users of other similarly sharp instruments will be allowed to participate...

Gotta have some rules...
anyone that uses a flat screwdriver for a any purpose other than a prybar or chisel needs to be disqualified...

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#1 Robertson's get a pass?
neither do #'s 0, 2, 3 or 4...

you take this PDF up there w/ you and hide it..

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Here in Canada flat screwdrivers are only used for prybars these days. The reason Robertson invented his screw drive system was because he stuck a flat screwdriver in his hand during a demonstration while he was working for Henry Ford (the #1 Henry). Phillips are only used when driving screws that come with things made somewhere other than Canada. Our hardware stores have bins of square drive screws like yours have bins of nails. No special permits are needed when using square drive screw drivers. They are pretty hard to hurt yourself with.

I couldn't resist saying that Nick. I think it is a great idea to determine what's needed and you were right in the other thread about finding out first what the user needs. But that can and should change over time whether a newbie or well seasoned. I've seen some posts from new members in the past and it was obvious that they couldn't imagine what some bits would be used for and in some cases they were pretty simple bits. One case I recall the newbie couldn't imagine what you would use a cove bit for yet it is often the bit I choose these days for edge profiling. I like the clean simple look. I started out preferring an ogee but now I tend to think it looks too busy most most of the time.

Maybe with router bits we could put together a list of the ones we use most and describe what they can do and why we use them and maybe add some pictures of examples. That might help them figure out what type bits they would be interested in. Once we have what we think is a winning compilation it can be made into a sticky thread or added as a link into an existing sticky thread.
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