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I am now looking for a jointer. Paypal credit has a great deal ending on November 24th--0% interest for 24 months. So I have been looking for a jointer for a long time. I want an 8" Parallelogram Jointer. I do not have the money or the space for a 12". I also really have no need for the additional size.

The jointers I am looking at are.

Powermatic PJ882 JOINTER, 2HP $2,599.99 (without wheel base, Knives, 83")
PJ882, 8" Parallelogram Jointer 2HP,1Ph

Grizzly G0495X 3HP $2730 (without wheel base, Helical head, 83")
https://www.grizzly.com/products/Gri...Readout/G0495X

Grizzly G0858 - 8" x 76" Parallelogram Jointer with Helical Cutterhead & Mobile Base 3HP $1960 https://www.grizzly.com/products/Gri...ile-Base/G0858

Grizzly G0857 - 8" x 76" Parallelogram Jointer with Mobile Base 3HP $1530 (knives)
https://www.grizzly.com/products/Gri...ile-Base/G0857

Grizzly G0490X - 8" x 76" Jointer with Parallelogram Beds and Spiral Cutterhead $1690 3HP (This model is made in China the other models are made in Taiwan. I was told the other models have slightly better build quality.
https://www.grizzly.com/products/Gri...terhead/G0490X

Laguna Tools, 8″ Parallelogram Jointer (MJOIN8020) $3250 3HP ShearTec II blades 83"
https://lagunatools.com/classic-mach...parallelogram/

The jointers with knives I would eventually replace with a Byrd cutting head. Prices per month vary from $64 to $136. Money is tight but I want to buy something I will not want to replace in 5 years. The reviews on the Grizzly's seem very good. They are much cheaper than the PM or Laguna. There is a huge weight difference in the Grizzly machines--cheapest is at 365lbs and the most expensive is 796lbs.

Thoughts about these Jointers or others that I have missed. I have not had a great experience with Jet so I have not looked at them. Are there things I should be looking for that I am missing. My bias right now is the Grizzly's. G0858, G0857 or the G0495X (do not know if it is worth the price difference). Thanks for any and all guidance.
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I have Delta 6" jointer that I have had for a few years. I also have a Dewalt 735 planner. Recently I saw an ad on craigslist.org for a SCM 300 combination machine. The machine did not have the fences for the saw or the jointer/planner. That got me to thinking about replacing my jointer and planner with a combination machine. The combination machines have from 10" to 16" planner and jointer beds. I am really thinking about upgrading. The upgrade would let me get rid of two large machines and replace it with a single unit. Have you looked at any of the combination machines. Jet, Felder, Rikon and SCM have some great machines. There is also a Grizzly version of the combination machine. All of the machines have the helical/spiral carbide heads.
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Fine Woodworking did a jointer test in the last year and the Grizz came out as best value if I remember right. The test was on all spiral heads I think too. I've had an 8" for over 20 years and I would have been unhappy with a 6" I think but very rarely have I ever had need for one that's wider. A longer bed would be nice though. Mine is 72". Go longer if you can afford it.
The parallelogram type is harder to adjust very finely but I don't see that as a big problem unless you do a lot of rabbeting with it. Then you need the fine adjustment. Otherwise you are just trying to flatten edges or faces and precision isn't critical regarding depth of cut.
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There is a reason Grizzly is cheaper and you will find out why when you go to sell it or service it. Go with a brand name. Either the Powermatic which would be my choice or the Laguna. Both have sales and you can usually get 10 to 15% off.
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There is a reason Grizzly is cheaper and you will find out why when you go to sell it or service it. Go with a brand name. Either the Powermatic which would be my choice or the Laguna. Both have sales and you can usually get 10 to 15% off.
Thanks Art. Can you tell me more about resale and service issues with Grizzly. I am seeing where I live that they are keeping value--part of the reason I am looking for new. In a perfect world I would love to have the PM but it is so expensive for what you get. The same is sorta true with Laguna. It seems like so much money for a machine that just makes boards flat. Thanks again.
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Fine Woodworking did a jointer test in the last year and the Grizz came out as best value if I remember right. The test was on all spiral heads I think too. I've had an 8" for over 20 years and I would have been unhappy with a 6" I think but very rarely have I ever had need for one that's wider. A longer bed would be nice though. Mine is 72". Go longer if you can afford it.
The parallelogram type is harder to adjust very finely but I don't see that as a big problem unless you do a lot of rabbeting with it. Then you need the fine adjustment. Otherwise you are just trying to flatten edges or faces and precision isn't critical regarding depth of cut.
Thanks Chuck. I saw that review which gave me more faith in Grizzly. This will be my first Jointer. I thought the parallelogram was easier to adjust. I thought the parallelogram made it easier to have the tables in coplanar. I also thought the big advantage is that this system keeps the distance from the cutting head tight. Are parallelogram difficult to adjust depth of cut? Or are they generally hard to adjust? Thanks for your advice.
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Here is the FWW jointer test from Jan 2019. They mentioned that if buying new, helical is a must. Grizzly is a great brand. I have their 14" bandsaw. Heavy machine and well made. I avoid brand loyalties and trust reviews and testing by good sources. I have noticed on the used market that the resell price for jointers with blades are sinking fast. I missed my window to sell my General 6" jointer and upgrade to an 8" helical.
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I have a 6 inch Grizzly joiner and have been very happy with it. I also own the anniversary version of their 14 inch band saw and also very happy with that a well,

The only thing about Grizzly tools I have found out is that the Polar Version of an identical Grizzly model. The Polar is of lesser quality. When I bought my joiner, I first bought the Polar Version and was very dissatisfied with the quality control of the machine. I sent it back and purchased the identical Grizzly and a huge difference in the quality of the machine.

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Consider looking for something used. Jointers are simple machines that are easy to assess before buying and you can get higher quality for the same price used. I have a 16 and an 8" jointer and the 8 gets the most use. Look at the heads and see if they're true helical head or just a segmented cutter.
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I have the Grizzly G0490 Jointer and like it really well. It has been a good performer, has plenty of power, is easy to use, dust collection is good and I have no complaints. I bought it used (Facebook Marketplace) last year for $650. My intent is to add the helical head at some point in time but at the present the standard cutter is working fine (though could use sharpened - which can be done economically locally). My plan is to replace my Dewalt DW735X cutterhead with a helix first when the cutters are eventually worn and then the jointer head.

I can also recommend considering the used option and there can be money to be saved by doing so - allowing the addition of other woodworking gear with the money saved. The caveat is to check the machine over well, though my experience thus far has been more than satisfactory. Another plus to buying used is that you can also eventually sell it at the same or near the price you paid with the original purchaser taking the biggest cost difference when they bought the equipment new.

I can also recommend Grizzly and have quickly become a fan - more than satisfied in every way with their equipment. My first major piece of quality woodworking equipment was the Laguna 18BX bandsaw (purchased new and I really love it) followed by a new Dewalt Planer but since then, I have been fortunate to find great buys on used Grizzly equipment in great condition which has allowed me to fill my shop in a much swifter timeframe than I would have been able to do otherwise. My first was a "new" Grizzly G0548Z Dust Collector ($200) that the seller purchased new but never placed into service due to buying a larger unit at an auction shortly thereafter (he sold it when he eventually needed the space in his shop but wasn't able to find some of the unassembled parts which I obtained from Grizzly for $40 delivered). I then bought the Jointer, then a Grizzly G0123 Table Saw ($650) and most recently a Grizzly G7944 Drill Press ($250).

My recommendation on purchasing used equipment is to search frequently, have a wide search radius (distance) and move on it as soon as you find something you want - particularly if it is at a reasonable price. The best buys don't last long and I learned quickly that they can disappear swiftly. I had each of my Grizzly machines sitting in my shop the same day that it was listed online, and after calling the seller would often research the machine while my wife was driving to the seller's location (ranging from 15 - 100 miles away). Give the machine a thorough look and run some boards through (with the dust collector, it had never been run so we had to wire it up) and if all checks out, buy, load and go.

To put things into another perspective, I saved over $2,500 on the Grizzly equipment I bought used (when shipping is factored in) and I haven't had any issues. To be honest, I never realized I saved that much until I just now compared my machines to the cost of new.
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