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You totally missed my point. Yes! You can get good scroll saws for less than $500 IF you happen to find a good deal on e-bay, craig's list, etc., but if Nicolas buys the scroll saw he posted a picture of he will be sorely disappointed in it's performance, or lack there of. I, and probably most who have a band saw and a scroll saw, use the band saw at least 10 times more than the scroll. I think of the scroll saw as a specialty tool where as a band saw is considered a main stay in most woodworking shops be they professional or hobby.

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HI curiousgeorge

For me it's 40 / 60 thing,,,I use the scroll saw more than the band saw I think.. but you are right about buying a toy band saw..

A 14" band saw will do many jobs well plus you can get one for about 225.oo bucks or less..I can't tell you the last time I used it to resaw any lumber most go over the hill with a big band saw and only use it for that job just now and then..but if you are into inlay work it's must have tool but not for most home work shops...when you can buy stock that's all ready to go in the thin sizes...if you look at the bottom line,,you buy thick stock resaw it down then buy a tool to get it down to the right size (lets say 3/8"/1/2" )and that 3/8" thick board ,just cost you a ton of money,,most like to have book match stock but it's a ton of money to make, and I think most home shop workers just use 3/4" thick stock most of the time..

Because of the high cost of thin stock..but I also think many wood home shops get to that point after time..once they put out the big bucks to do the job..I think many start out with the toy tools and then upgrade to the bigger tools but a good scroll saw is one of the tools you will have for a long time..

I think most use the band saw to cut round / circel or to say not a strait lines and the scroll saw can put the band saw to shame when it comes to that job..

Plus the blades are hard to break and are cheap so to speak..they make so many great blades for the scroll saw and you will be amaze how many and how well they cut..just as a note I don't recall breaking a blade,I do wear them out or cook them now and then..like using a small blade when I should have use a thicker blade..
below you will see a small list of blades you can get for the scroll saw..
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The blade is the key for most scroll saws .even with a cheap scroll saw they make a big.diff.like day and night..

But I will say the only tool I can use to make the plugs for the pocket holes is the band saw , I did make a jig so I don't need to buy them any more,,many like to use the Kreg pocket screws like I do but I don't like buying the plugs that work so well but they are not cheap but now they are little bit of dowel rod and I 50 or so with the band saw, I just need to come up with a way to make the plastic ones that also look well on the out side of the joint..when I can't hide the pocket hole,,,, LOL


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You totally missed my point. Yes! You can get good scroll saws for less than $500 IF you happen to find a good deal on e-bay, craig's list, etc., but if Nicolas buys the scroll saw he posted a picture of he will be sorely disappointed in it's performance, or lack there of. I, and probably most who have a band saw and a scroll saw, use the band saw at least 10 times more than the scroll. I think of the scroll saw as a specialty tool where as a band saw is considered a main stay in most woodworking shops be they professional or hobby.


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bobj you said it right; the only stock I use is 3/4" or sheet products. I don't think a home shop will ever do re-sawing.

Here is what I bought today from a web site in my area which is similar to craigslist but for French speaking people.

A King Canada 16” scroll saw for $45.00, it’s like new. What is the difference between pin / plain end type blades? Noticed in the manual that this model is also available with 2 speeds but mine is single speed. Looking at the wiring it seems that it should be easy to convert it to a two speed. Has anyone done this?

A Craftsman bench top sander for $120.00 (includes four new 8” disks and four new 4”x 36” belts), 2/3 HP, 3400 RPM. There is no manual with this one and I wonder if anyone knows where to get one. I looked at Sears web site but did not see any section for service / manuals
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HI kolias

The pin type have a very small pin in the blade ( about 1/16" in diam.) to hold the blade in place,I think the type you have has a spring loaded part to put a load on the blade..

Some of the pin type scroll saws can be change over to the plain type blades that are a better type of blades,, most pin type of blades are used in the hand scroll saws the norm..

If you want to have a VS control on your scroll saw just pickup one the router speed control box and it will do the job just fine..for about 20.oo bucks and a VS is all most a must on a scroll saw.. you don't want to cook your blades with to much speed..

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bobj you said it right; the only stock I use is 3/4" or sheet products. I don't think a home shop will ever do re-sawing.

Here is what I bought today from a web site in my area which is similar to craigslist but for French speaking people.

A King Canada 16” scroll saw for $45.00, it’s like new. What is the difference between pin / plain end type blades? Noticed in the manual that this model is also available with 2 speeds but mine is single speed. Looking at the wiring it seems that it should be easy to convert it to a two speed. Has anyone done this?

A Craftsman bench top sander for $120.00 (includes four new 8” disks and four new 4”x 36” belts), 2/3 HP, 3400 RPM. There is no manual with this one and I wonder if anyone knows where to get one. I looked at Sears web site but did not see any section for service / manuals



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Thank you bobj

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I never liked nor could even get a scroll saw to work until I tried my friends 1100.00 scroll saw. I always thought I sucked, I did not no, it was my scroll saw. I finally went through 7 scroll saws until I broke down and got the DeWalt and it is the first sub 500.00 saw I ever used that actually cut and let me cut like I thought it should. So that scroll saw under 500.00 being crap rings pretty much true.

For me and any serious scroller the DeWalt is the minimum scroll saw, hey used you can get them for 300.00, maybe less. They are worth every bit of 500.00. I personally can not get my 200.00 Delta to cut to where the work is even usable. It is frustrating, aggravating and the pros seem like miracle workers. When actually the pros are using saws that make the work easy.

Some guys can make a masterpiece with a butter knife, I can not. And if you are like me you are going to need at least the DeWalt scroll saw to work effectively. If you don't need that saw you are better than me for sure. Or you just do not have the standards or realize what a scroll saw can do and just accept what you have as normal. In fact once you use the DeWalt I doubt you will be able to look at your current Scroll saw, just like my neighbor acts about my scroll saw, to him my DeWalt is a toy and his Excalibur is a real scroll saw.

I can get the results he gets with the Excalibur using the DeWalt. But no other saw I have ever used less than the DeWalt can.

If you are a beginner and just wonder how these pros stay on the line and how the heck do they do it, don't worry it is not you, its the saw. If you can get great results using a cheaper saw and not get frustrated, hey you may have a talent, but please try the DeWalt and better saws, you may realize you are missing out. If you don't no harm done.

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HI kolias

The pin type have a very small pin in the blade ( about 1/16" in diam.) to hold the blade in place,I think the type you have has a spring loaded part to put a load on the blade..

Some of the pin type scroll saws can be change over to the plain type blades that are a better type of blades,, most pin type of blades are used in the hand scroll saws the norm..

If you want to have a VS control on your scroll saw just pickup one the router speed control box and it will do the job just fine..for about 20.oo bucks and a VS is all most a must on a scroll saw.. you don't want to cook your blades with to much speed..

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I got today the router speed control box (busybeetools.com) and could not be happier. Thanks bobj. I also plugged on it the Craftsman sander because I find that it run too fast.

I'm very happy with the scroll saw. Did some practice samples and was fast and easy. The only problem is that my samples were cut with the pin type blade. I bought some plain ends blades but they come off. I read the manual few times but no luck.

bobj the blades are not attached with a spring type holder. There is a wing nut on the top and bottom arms which you tight to hold the blade and after I adjust the tension all looks ok but after a few minutes of cutting the blade comes off (does not brake)

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That's great
You may need to tune up the holder for plain blades,,put some good sand paper into the slot and pull it a time or two to remove any marks,it should be very true inside..it takes alot of holding power to keep the blade in place,it's a play with thing at 1st..till you get it right.. once you have it set you should hear the "ping" sound from the blade with your finger nail.


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I got today the router speed control box (busybeetools.com) and could not be happier. Thanks bobj. I also plugged on it the Craftsman sander because I find that it run too fast.

I'm very happy with the scroll saw. Did some practice samples and was fast and easy. The only problem is that my samples were cut with the pin type blade. I bought some plain ends blades but they come off. I read the manual few times but no luck.

bobj the blades are not attached with a spring type holder. There is a wing nut on the top and bottom arms which you tight to hold the blade and after I adjust the tension all looks ok but after a few minutes of cutting the blade comes off (does not brake)

Any suggestions?



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Amen on the band saw!!!

I got lost in thought. it was unfamiliar territory.
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Now that I got my scroll saw, I will never go to a band saw. My scroll saw fits nice under the bench and it does what I want; fast, accurate and clean. For my needs, was the perfect choice and the $45 I paid for it makes it even better.

Yes I have a glitch right now but as bobj said I have to learn a few things and if the problem persists I can switch to the pin type blade and that is fine – no problems there.

You all forget my original question which only bobj understood !!!

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